[dosxtres]

Playing Lebehnshol,

What is the diference between theese two auctions?

Is this sign off?

a)
1n...... (2♥)...... 2n..... p
3♣...... p.......... 3♦



Is this game going hand with diamonds?

1n.......(2♥).......3d

Then, if it is with diamonds does or not does promise stopper?


Let's see,

1n (2♥) ?

Your hand

xxx xx KQ109x Kxx

Playing Lebenshol direct denies

a.) 1n (2h) 3n?
b.) 1n (2h) 3d?

[P_Marlowe]

1a) yes
1b) yes, 3D does not say anything about
a stopper, the NT opener either bids 3NT
with a stopper or asks via 3H

And now with regards to your given hand:

I would bid 2NT followed by 3D, but this is a matter
of glas half full / half empty.

You cant really solve it, because, what you have is
an inv. hand, and you either force to game and play
5D on min. values if opener has no stopper or you dont
and you miss game when opener is max. with and has
a stopper.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[dosxtres]

Let me explain better.

This is Lebenshol Direct denies.

Partner open al2ways 1n and RHO overcalls 2h

With theese hands.

1º xxx xx x Kxxxxxx
2NT then pass 3c?
Do u have to alert 2n as 2 ways then as one stopper with game going values or weak hand with a minor to play?

2º xxx xx Kxxxxxx x
2NT 3c 3d is sign off, to play?

3º Kx xx AKQxxx xxx
3d is game forcing? 1n (2h) 3d?

4º Kx xx xxx AKQxxx
same, 3C is forcing?

What is
1n (2h) 2n! p
3c p

a.) 3s?
b.) 3h?
c.) 3d?

[P_Marlowe]

dosxtres, on Oct 22 2007, 06:31 AM, said:

Let me explain better.

This is Lebenshol Direct denies.

Partner open al2ways 1n and RHO overcalls 2h

With theese hands.

1º xxx xx x Kxxxxxx
2NT then pass 3c?
Do u have to alert 2n as 2 ways then as one stopper with game going values or weak hand with a minor to play?

2º xxx xx Kxxxxxx x
2NT 3c 3d is sign off, to play?

3º Kx xx AKQxxx xxx
3d is game forcing?  1n (2h) 3d?

4º Kx xx xxx AKQxxx
same, 3C is forcing?

What is
1n (2h) 2n! p
3c  p   

a.) 3s?
b.) 3h?
c.) 3d?

#1) 2NT = either weak with a minor or
or game going values with a stopper
#2) 3D is to play / sign off
#3) a direct 3D bid is game forcing
#4) a direct 3C bid is game forcing
#4a) 3S is invitational with spades, you have 3 ways to
bid spades
- 2S, which would be to play
- 3S direct, i.e. with a jump, which would be game forcing
- 3S via 2NT, in this case 3S just shows an inv. hand
#4b) Stayman and promising a stopper, because we are talking
about a 2H intervention, the 3H bid shows 4 spades, why else
bid Stayman
#4c) see #2)

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS Lebensohl is quite simple, if you have only 2 ways of bidding
a suit (direct or via the 2NT relais), the direct bids bids are game
forcing, the bids via 2 NT are to play.
If you have 3 ways (without a jump, with jump, via 2NT), the
without jump is to play, the with jump is game forcing and the
bid via 2NT is inv.
.........................
The "slow shows / fast denies" option is only relevant, if responder
bids 3NT direct or via 2NT, and if reponder bids the opponents suit as
Stayman either direct or via 2NT.

[FrancesHinden]

dosxtres, on Oct 22 2007, 12:31 PM, said:

What is
1n (2h) 2n! p
3c p

a.) 3s?
b.) 3h?
c.) 3d?

Quote

1º xxx xx x Kxxxxxx
2NT then pass 3c?

Yes

Quote

Do u have to alert 2n as 2 ways then as one stopper with game going values or weak hand with a minor to play?

Yes

Quote

2º xxx xx Kxxxxxx x
2NT 3c 3d is sign off, to play?

Yes

Quote

3º Kx xx AKQxxx xxx
3d is game forcing?  1n (2h) 3d?

4º Kx xx xxx AKQxxx
same, 3C is forcing?

Yes, Yes

Quote

What is
1n (2h) 2n! p
3c  p   

a.) 3s?
b.) 3h?
c.) 3d?

c.) You have answered above, it is to play in 3D.
a.) Is a matter of partnership agreement. I play it the most 'natural' way as invitational with five spades (a weak hand bids 2S over 2H, a game forcing hand bids 3S over 2H).
b.) Is also a matter of partnership agreement; it depends how you play the double of 2H, but in the the original version of slow-shows lebensohl:

1NT (2H) 3H
= game forcing, 4 spades, no heart stop

1NT (2H) 2NT P
3C (P) 3H
= game forcing, 4 spades, heart stop

(there are lots of other possible meanings, but this is probably the safest one to assume without having discussed in detail with partner)