[dicklont]

Scoring: MP

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Obviously the best contract in MP would be 7NT. How do you bid it?
Our line produced 7♦ 3 times and 7♠ once. The other four bid a small slam.

[Codo]

Actually I would open the north hand, which makes it impossible to stop below 7 NT.
Maybe something like 1 ♣ 4 NT 5 ♦ 5 ♥ 5 ♠ 7 NT
(North showed the K of spades and the ace of Club)

[Gerben42]

In a standard system many would pass North. Voidwood then stops you from finding 7NT. So I guess it's normal.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

to bid 7NT South needs to know about the
Ace of Clubs and the King of Spades,
which should be possible, if South asks
RKCB (not Exclusion) followed by an Ask
for specific Kings, which will reveal the King
of spades.

This should be doable.

A bit more problematic is, if North does not
hold the Ace of clubs, how does one reach 7S.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[cphastrup]

dicklont, on Oct 19 2007, 01:06 AM, said:

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pass - 2♣
2♠* - 7NT**

*3 controls (which can only be ♣A and ♠K)
** Unlucky if diamonds produce a loser

- Claus

[Walddk]

cphastrup, on Oct 19 2007, 10:19 AM, said:

pass - 2♣
2♠* - 7NT**

*3 controls (which can only be ♣A and ♠K)
** Unlucky if diamonds produce a loser

- Claus

It's not that simple, Claus. The three controls could be ♣AK. However, if you play control responses, most pairs have the methods to find out which controls responder has.

Roland

[Codo]

If north passes:
I would bid with my standard pd:

pass 2 ♦ (Multi, here GF with Diamonds)
2 ♥ 3 [♠] (GF 5+ Diamonds with 4 Spades)
4 ♣ 4 ♦ ( too good for 3 NT, no 5 card H, no 4 Spades RCKBasking,)
4 ♥ 4 ♠ (don´t like Diamonds, repeated question)
5 ♣ 5 ♠ ( 1 KC, Kings?)
5NT (K of S no K of C)
7 NT (4 Spade, 2 H, 6 D 1 C and if the diamonds do not behave, maybe spades produce 5 tricks or pd has the queen of H)


Well maybe we had to look at the script during the bidding, but this is how it is meant to be...

[Gerben42]

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4 ♣ 4 ♦ ( too good for 3 NT, no 5 card H, no 4 Spades RCKBasking,)

I think anyone saying he will find 7NT using regular Blackwood with the 6 - 5 hand is kidding himself. You don't Blackwood with a void, your main concern is to find ♠K.

So no, I won't find 7NT unless North opens (2♣ in my system: 10 - 13, 5+♣ unbalanced)

[cphastrup]

Walddk, on Oct 19 2007, 03:27 AM, said:

cphastrup, on Oct 19 2007, 10:19 AM, said:

pass - 2♣
2♠* - 7NT**

*3 controls (which can only be ♣A and ♠K)
** Unlucky if diamonds produce a loser 

- Claus

It's not that simple, Claus. The three controls could be ♣AK. However, if you play control responses, most pairs have the methods to find out which controls responder has.

Roland

Ah, of course (I shouldn't post before noon).

[P_Marlowe]

Gerben42, on Oct 19 2007, 05:18 AM, said:

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4 ♣ 4 ♦ ( too good for 3 NT, no 5 card H, no 4 Spades RCKBasking,)

I think anyone saying he will find 7NT using regular Blackwood with the 6 - 5 hand is kidding himself. You don't Blackwood with a void, your main concern is to find ♠K.

So no, I won't find 7NT unless North opens (2♣ in my system: 10 - 13, 5+♣ unbalanced)

.-), I am pretty sure, I will play in a suit.

But I can imagine, that South bids regular
Blackwood / RKCB, because South wants
to play in a small slam anyway, he can
open 6D.
So he can check for Aces and for the King
of pdase, if he is no to lazy, but I am lazy.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Fluffy]

1♣-1♠
2♣-3♦
3♠-5NT
6♦-7♠

I guess north can try 7NT after this knowing south has club void, but my guess is he is not gonna do it (could be fun if he had 2 voids lol)

[Codo]

Gerben42, on Oct 19 2007, 07:18 PM, said:

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4 ♣ 4 ♦ ( too good for 3 NT, no 5 card H, no 4 Spades RCKBasking,)

I think anyone saying he will find 7NT using regular Blackwood with the 6 - 5 hand is kidding himself. You don't Blackwood with a void, your main concern is to find ♠K.

So no, I won't find 7NT unless North opens (2♣ in my system: 10 - 13, 5+♣ unbalanced)

I disagree Gerben. You play Voidwood because you wanted to know whether pd has the right aces and not the one in your void suit.
This time you know, if he answers one ace, which ace it is. And you play MP so there is a significant difference between 7 diamond and 7 NT.
Voidwood or abandoning KC is simple lazy in this case.