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What should 3♥ be here, SOS I can't stand 2♠ lets play here?
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Posted 2007-October-13, 04:18
No agreements, playing with GIB
What should 3♥ be here, SOS I can't stand 2♠ lets play here?
It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.
Bridge should be fun!
SHAPE!
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Bridge should be fun!
SHAPE!
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." (MH)
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Posted 2007-October-13, 06:54
My guess is that GIB would play it as just what you said. Maybe this is an impossible bid that can only come up as an artifcact of the DD simulation technique: He should have bid 2♥ or 3♥ in the last round, but then the simulation results happened to lead him to passing.
I can think of no sensible meaning of this bid. In fact I can't think of a hand that would like to bid anything in this situation. Guess I lack fantasy.
Btw, did you consider passing 1NT? Opps are vulnerable and they need either a running 6-card clubs, or a running 5-card plus an ace, to make 1NT. Maybe 2♠ is the percentage bid, I dono, but I would have passed.
I can think of no sensible meaning of this bid. In fact I can't think of a hand that would like to bid anything in this situation. Guess I lack fantasy.
Btw, did you consider passing 1NT? Opps are vulnerable and they need either a running 6-card clubs, or a running 5-card plus an ace, to make 1NT. Maybe 2♠ is the percentage bid, I dono, but I would have passed.
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Posted 2007-October-13, 07:08
Hi,
One is sure, it does not show a weak hand
with long hearts, because with such a hand
one could have bid 2H direct over 1 NT.
The second sure thing, it cant show a strong
hand either, because you would have Xed 1 NT.
The third sure thing, the pass over 1 NT denied
primary spade support.
The only thing left is some kind of secondary
spade support with heart values, some kind of
game try.
With kind regards
Marlowe
PS: But playing with GIB, I would pass.
One is sure, it does not show a weak hand
with long hearts, because with such a hand
one could have bid 2H direct over 1 NT.
The second sure thing, it cant show a strong
hand either, because you would have Xed 1 NT.
The third sure thing, the pass over 1 NT denied
primary spade support.
The only thing left is some kind of secondary
spade support with heart values, some kind of
game try.
With kind regards
Marlowe
PS: But playing with GIB, I would pass.
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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Posted 2007-October-13, 10:05
It's perplexing. All I can imagine is a hand that should have bid 2♥ first time around (weak hand, long ♥) but chose not to, then regretted that decision upon hearing partner rebid ♠.
People do this sometimes, but not computer programs. THey don't have feelings of regret (I hope).
Marlowe's analysis is logical but I can't make that theory work out either; if responder has enough to try for game in ♠, after hearing opener bid 2♠, doesn't he necessarily have the right hand to double 1NT the first go-round? Values, doubleton spade..... hmmm, sounds like a double to me.
So I'm perplexed, still.
People do this sometimes, but not computer programs. THey don't have feelings of regret (I hope).
Marlowe's analysis is logical but I can't make that theory work out either; if responder has enough to try for game in ♠, after hearing opener bid 2♠, doesn't he necessarily have the right hand to double 1NT the first go-round? Values, doubleton spade..... hmmm, sounds like a double to me.
So I'm perplexed, still.
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Posted 2007-October-13, 12:08
I've never had this auction.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2007-October-13, 12:13
This clearly shows a penalty pass of NT with a side suit in hearts.
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Posted 2007-October-13, 12:20
Looks like a mini-empathetic splinter. Only other option is a fit non jump.
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Posted 2007-October-13, 12:34
Game try in spades with a short side suit, 3S asks.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2007-October-13, 12:40
Penalty pass on 1NT, computers with feelings of regret, 3♠ asks .... Where's Ken Rexford when we need him most?
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Posted 2007-October-13, 15:20
I can't imagine this happening with a human partner.
It's probably a non-fit non-jump (advance rescue of 2♠ that won't get doubled anyway).
It's probably a non-fit non-jump (advance rescue of 2♠ that won't get doubled anyway).
Kind regards,
Harald
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Posted 2007-October-13, 15:26
Wow, non-fit non-jump, I'll use that one next time opps click on my simple overcall in an indy and ask for explanation 
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