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#1 User is offline   matmat 

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Posted 2007-October-14, 20:27

J9xxx
Q9xxx
Axx
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p opens 1H.
opps stay quiet. you are an unpassed hand. what is your call?
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Posted 2007-October-14, 20:31

I feel like splintering will get us too high too often so I'd just bid 4H (yes this will get us too low sometimes).
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Posted 2007-October-14, 21:31

matmat, on Oct 14 2007, 09:27 PM, said:

J9xxx
Q9xxx
Axx
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p opens 1H.
opps stay quiet. you are an unpassed hand. what is your call?

If you play full Bergen this is a 4d raise.


5 trumps, 1 to 1.5 outside tricks, less than ten hcp.
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Posted 2007-October-14, 21:53

It's quite good for 4H but I don't have another bid to describe this hand. So 4H it is.
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Posted 2007-October-14, 22:22

mike777, on Oct 14 2007, 10:31 PM, said:

matmat, on Oct 14 2007, 09:27 PM, said:

J9xxx
Q9xxx
Axx
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p opens 1H.
opps stay quiet. you are an unpassed hand. what is your call?

If you play full Bergen this is a 4d raise.


5 trumps, 1 to 1.5 outside tricks, less than ten hcp.

yes, and some play 3N as a good 1-4 raise, probably if this was in use in this particular case it would not be a bidding problem and OP wants to know what our best judgement call is rather than our best gadget for the hand.
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Posted 2007-October-15, 05:25

Jlall, on Oct 14 2007, 11:22 PM, said:

mike777, on Oct 14 2007, 10:31 PM, said:

matmat, on Oct 14 2007, 09:27 PM, said:

J9xxx
Q9xxx
Axx
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p opens 1H.
opps stay quiet. you are an unpassed hand. what is your call?

If you play full Bergen this is a 4d raise.


5 trumps, 1 to 1.5 outside tricks, less than ten hcp.

yes, and some play 3N as a good 1-4 raise, probably if this was in use in this particular case it would not be a bidding problem and OP wants to know what our best judgement call is rather than our best gadget for the hand.

Exactly. This is the perfect hand for 3NT - good raise to 4♥.

Not playing this, I would probably make a mixed raise (3♣ the way I play it) and then raise to 4♥ if partner bids 3♥. If partner bids 4♥ over the mixed raise, I pass and hope that I don't have too much.
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Posted 2007-October-15, 10:40

This is very close between 4♥ and 4♣ (void in my methods).
I think I'd bid 4♥ most of the time, but it's definitely a maximum hand for that. I think 4♣ gets us too high more often than we stop short after 4♥.
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Posted 2007-October-15, 11:36

I bid 4♥ as (clearly?) the best bid tactically, accepting the occasional missed slam.
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Posted 2007-October-15, 13:26

4♥.

Echo the views about the useful 3N gadget, which is more valuable than 3N being a balanced 13-15 or 15-17, or something splinter-esque.
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Posted 2007-October-15, 14:08

4♥, willing to give up on slam.
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Posted 2007-October-15, 14:19

on my system I'd bid 1♠ (forcing 1NT) then 4♥.
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Posted 2007-October-15, 15:18

Gonzalo, if there's something the other thread showed me, is that such a tactics of "1NT + supp later" is a loser in the long run. I know where it comes from, but I'm now convinced it is theoretically UNSOUND.
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Posted 2007-October-15, 15:27

4♥. the plan is to compensate this missed slam by bidding to a 27 hcp 6NT next board.
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Posted 2007-October-15, 16:11

whereagles, on Oct 15 2007, 09:18 PM, said:

Gonzalo, if there's something the other thread showed me, is that such a tactics of "1NT + supp later" is a loser in the long run. I know where it comes from, but I'm now convinced it is theoretically UNSOUND.

I don't claim it to be the best at all, but matmat asked what's your raise, and nowadys it still is forcing NT :blink:
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Posted 2007-October-16, 02:40

4♥ seems reasonable.

What ? I've missed slam. Next please... :P
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Posted 2007-October-16, 02:44

4♥, I play 3♠ as 9-11 splinter, but I don't have that... You can hardly count extra points for shortness when defining a splinter, can you? :P
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Posted 2007-October-16, 02:55

void counts as 4 extra pts for splintering purposes :P

(as in, you no longer need pard's ace to have 0 losers in the suit.. lol)
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Posted 2007-October-16, 03:12

Fluffy, on Oct 15 2007, 10:11 PM, said:

I don't claim it to be the best at all, but matmat asked what's your raise, and nowadys it still is forcing NT :P

Fair enough :)

But change system asap.. lol.
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