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"accept" ?

Poll: 4SP or not? (51 member(s) have cast votes)

4SP or not?

  1. pass (8 votes [15.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.69%

  2. 4Sp (43 votes [84.31%])

    Percentage of vote: 84.31%

  3. slam try (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2007-September-24, 09:35

1-3<-----lott raise, 0-7 support points
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Posted 2007-September-24, 09:38

I would bid 4 in case it makes. Way off from a slam try.
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Posted 2007-September-24, 09:49

i pass. i'm a chikn'
p needs either heart shortness or too many cover cards for this to make. if they wanna balance over 3s, go right ahead...
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Posted 2007-September-24, 09:49

slam seems impossible, so just set for game.
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Posted 2007-September-24, 09:52

GAME!!! And please don't tell me 0 support points, partner would bid this with xxxx xxx xxx xxx? Man I hope not.
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Posted 2007-September-24, 10:10

4S.

What ever lott raise means.

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Posted 2007-September-24, 12:32

Pass, we're NV vs V so P may be very light. Depends more on agreements and style anyway...
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Posted 2007-September-24, 13:31

4 seems clear.

Even if it does not make, it will only be -1 or 2 for -50/100. If it goes off two, the opps were probably cold for 4H or 5m anyway.
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
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Posted 2007-September-24, 13:33

completely obvious 4S, wtp? ^^
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Posted 2007-September-24, 13:45

Obvious pass, wtp.
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Posted 2007-September-24, 14:04

Even versus my own preemtive raises I'd go 4. How on earth could it be right for anyone to pass then???? :(
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Posted 2007-September-24, 14:15

I make 4 across:

xxxxx
x
xxx
xxxx

The 0 don't scare me none. I'd bid 4 without the Q
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Posted 2007-September-24, 15:09

4S

Six card suit, bid 4S. Some aspects of the game are not difficult IMO.
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Posted 2007-September-24, 15:12

I can construct hands where 3 can go down: xxxx, xxx, xx, Kxxx.

I can also construct hands where slam is excellent: xxxx void Kxxxxx xxx.

4 simply should have some kind of play with most layouts.
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Posted 2007-September-24, 15:17

4 is clear. Besides the various zero counts that produce game, there is also the issue of what the opponents can make (or go down less than the value of our partial).

Partner's bid informs us that we have only two sure defensive tricks - and maybe not that many. So, bid 'em up.
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Posted 2007-September-24, 15:35

on the hands that you are constructing to make 4s, do you really think that the opponents would remain silent given the HCP and fit(s) they have?
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Posted 2007-September-24, 15:41

It seems likely that opponents don't have a huge fit anywhere. This means if partner has shortness, it's probably in hearts. Would partner bid 3 with no points and no shortage? If so maybe pass is right, but I think for most of us 3 bid promises some playing strength. Either of these give decent odds for game:

xxxx
xx
Kxx
xxxx

(needs spades 2-1)

Qxxx
x
Qxxx
xxxx

(needs either a non-trump lead or diamond king on)

I'd take my shot at 4. If partner really does have nothing, at least the opponents may have been talked out of a game (although I might've bought the hand for 3 too).
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Posted 2007-September-24, 16:12

Obvious 4S.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-September-24, 21:40

I lean towards 4 and hope PD has something and a useful ruffing value.

As a Bergen raise player I have been toying with the idea where 3 shows the usual single raise with 4 card support, and 3 rather than showing a limit raise shows a weaker raise than a single raise but with a few HCP. Then the raise to 3M is truly premeptive. You'll play J2N Plus with all the limit raise or better hands.

However, that method seems to make it easier for the opps to whack 3 and/or to play opener for almost every missing high card.

Especially with and as long as you don't fear 4 or 5m (rarely will they play and make 3NT if you don't preempt, I think you should have a little something more than a Yarborough to bid 3.

OK 4 for me ... neilkaz ..
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Posted 2007-September-25, 00:51

4

1. If pd has the real zero point raise: xxxx,xxx,xxx,xxx, they make 5 in each minor without a finesse and it is much harder for them to compete over 4 Spade then over 3.
2. If pd has just a little more, game is good.
3. The LOTT is with you.

Easy.
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