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competitive decision

Poll: your turn (33 member(s) have cast votes)

your turn

  1. P (15 votes [45.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 45.45%

  2. 4S (8 votes [24.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.24%

  3. 4NT (1 votes [3.03%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.03%

  4. 5C (9 votes [27.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.27%

  5. 5D (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   jdonn 

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Posted 2007-September-21, 22:51

Scoring: IMP

P P 1♦ 1♥
1♠ 4♥ DBL P
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Posted 2007-September-21, 23:10

pass
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Posted 2007-September-21, 23:20

It could, of course, be 'right' to pull: but it doesn't seem like the percentage action. BTW, I'm glad I'm on lead, not partner.
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Posted 2007-September-21, 23:40

mikeh, on Sep 22 2007, 12:20 AM, said:

It could, of course, be 'right' to pull: but it doesn't seem like the percentage action. BTW, I'm glad I'm on lead, not partner.

to lead a.....?
btw why are there no votes for pass in the poll? hanging chads?
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Posted 2007-September-21, 23:43

I voted for 5C, I expected that that would be more popular than pass.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-September-23, 05:31

jdonn, on Sep 22 2007, 07:40 AM, said:

mikeh, on Sep 22 2007, 12:20 AM, said:

It could, of course, be 'right' to pull: but it doesn't seem like the percentage action. BTW, I'm glad I'm on lead, not partner.

to lead a.....?

To avoid a spade lead I'd guess.
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Posted 2007-September-23, 05:32

Hannie, on Sep 22 2007, 07:43 AM, said:

I voted for 5C, I expected that that would be more popular than pass.

5♣ of course COULD be the winning action, but I'm with Justin and Mike here; pass is the odds on action.
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Posted 2007-September-23, 06:46

Isn't double take-out ish?

If so, I take out partner's take out doubles.

What to, is not clear. If partner has KQx of spades, I bid 4S, if not I bid 5C

Unfortunately, lacking x-ray specs I have to guess, and so I guess 5C.
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Posted 2007-September-23, 07:06

Pass.

What else?

For whats it worth, double is just
showing values / power.

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Posted 2007-September-23, 07:07

Since I'm a passed hand, 4♠ implies a second place to play. Otherwise I would pass.

Did 1♠ show five? In that case I pass since p might have bid 4♠ with three spades. If 1♠ showed four, I bid 4♠.
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Posted 2007-September-23, 07:22

Pass is sound, but I'll bid - 4NT.

I don't want to be declarer, so I'll risk partner's choice (that's why pass is so sensible!)
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Posted 2007-September-23, 09:59

For me, 1♠ shows 5 and a neg dbl shows 4 and PD's dbl is quite penalty oriented with extra strength or trumps with a couple honors. My hand should provide at least 1 trick on defence.

They are vul and lets hope we get them down 2 which is a better shot than gambling on 5m (noting if PD wanted to play 4♠ and had 3 card support he'd bid it).

Pass should win more IMPs in the long run, IMHO .. neilkaz ..
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Posted 2007-September-23, 13:15

mr1303, on Sep 23 2007, 07:46 AM, said:

Isn't double take-out ish?

If so, I take out partner's take out doubles.

lol. You really think the last statement applies at the 4 level? It should be pretty obvious simply from a common sense point of view that most takeout Xs at the 4 level are left in. That's not to say that passing here is clearly right but if your reasoning for pulling it is "I take out takeout Xs" then that is really silly.
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Posted 2007-September-23, 23:43

:blink: Pass. I really don't get the logic of any other bid - contracting for 10 or 11 tricks instead of four tricks on defense. Of course, there will be some hands where 4♠ or 5♣ is a winner, but one has to play the percentages. Partner shouldn't have soft heart values in front of the overcaller. He also won't have 4♠.

A typical hand for partner would be a 2NT rebid with three ♥ and two or three ♠:

Qx
AQx
AK10xx
Kxx

4♥ is sure to go down 2 or 3, but our game is thin.

KQx
Axx
KQ109
KJ10x

This could be the disaster hand. We make 4 or 5 ♠. They might make 4♥ with two black singletons. A secondary 4 card ♣ fit with 3♠ makes bidding on correct. What are the odds of that versus all other possible distributions?
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Posted 2007-September-24, 05:26

A big winner for muidenberg or alike

I agree with everything Helene said and would bid 4♠.
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Posted 2007-September-24, 09:13

I told Ira Chorush about this thread and asked him about his thoughts. He didn't immediately recognize the hand but was quite sure he would have bid 5C. His main argument for 5C is that the big win comes when partner can raise to 6C and you score 1370 vs 800. With a weak hand he wouldn't usually pull.
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Posted 2007-September-24, 09:15

I really don't understand the 4S bidders (7 of them!!). You have shown 5+ spades so now you rebid them and partner is supposed to figured out that you really don't want to play there?
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Posted 2007-September-24, 09:51

Did we show 5 spades already?
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Posted 2007-September-24, 09:52

Fluffy, on Sep 24 2007, 10:51 AM, said:

Did we show 5 spades already?

Yes. I assume negative doubles are standard, but sorry I should have mentioned it to begin with.
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Posted 2007-September-24, 10:02

I don't like to bid that much then, but I'd still try 5♣
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