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#1 User is offline   Mr. Dodgy 

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Posted 2007-September-20, 05:36

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2NT-(4♥)-?

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Posted 2007-September-20, 05:38

4N is probaly for the minors here, so that's what I would bid.
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Posted 2007-September-20, 05:58

4 NT is for the minors?
I won´t try this with a pick upd pd. It could be and maybe should be two minors, but I would hate to play 4 NT- 3 because he took it as natural.

I would double, accepting that this could lead to misuderstandings and/or bad scores, but maybe 4 HEart X is the best score we can get and maybe 4 Spade or 5 of a minor is better. Who knows.
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Posted 2007-September-20, 08:45

some hands like 5332 5 cards major with 20 21 are opened with 2nt if p has 5 cards s we have 5 3 fit i will x 4h :)
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Posted 2007-September-20, 08:46

some hands like 5332 5 cards major with 20 21 are opened with 2nt if p has 5 cards s we have 5 3 fit i will x 4h :)
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Posted 2007-September-20, 10:42

4NT for the minors.

I have heard of partnerships who use 4NT to play here but it seems a rare agreement.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-September-20, 12:19

How in the world can 4NT be for the minors!! It is your first bid, in notrump, at the lowest possible level opposite a natural strong notrump bid. Much as 4NT for the minors would be nice on this hand, I can't believe it is anything but to play.
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Posted 2007-September-20, 12:52

Hate to say it but I agree with jdown. No way 4N isn't to play here.
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Posted 2007-September-20, 14:33

OK, apparently I was way off when I thought that almost anybody would play 4NT as the minors.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-September-20, 15:05

I guess people do not bid double as a replacement bid for a natural 4nt and 4nt as minors?
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Posted 2007-September-21, 09:39

4NT would be natural for me too.
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Posted 2007-September-21, 10:05

double and maybe partner opened 2nt on 20-21 with 5 card hearts? :-)
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Posted 2007-September-21, 10:17

Pass. 25 vs 15 usually sets 4H, but opps may have a super fit. If partner dbls, I am taking that as penalty.

4N sounds natural to me, but it sure would be nice to be the minors.
X sounds penalty to me, but it would be nice if it was negative.
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