[jillybean]

Dealer: West Vul: All Scoring: IMP

♠ A94 ♥ KQ987 ♦ T65 ♣ K5

West North East South

 1♣    2♦    2♠   3♥ 
dbl pass 3SP
 

[ralph23]

Partner's weak and should have little defense. In light of that, do you really think your side can take 5 tricks against a ♠ contract? The King of clubs is right in front of the club opener...

You're red and I think you're already high enough. I would pass now.

[Fluffy]

I don't like 3♥ you are suposed to have a better suit and a better hand to bid like that, 3♦ looks best.

[whereagles]

There's a huge chance opps are going to bid a game, i.e. 3NT or 4♠. If you bid 4♦ now you give them an option: to double you and score 500 vs what is possible a 1 down in their game.

[mikeh]

There are some warning signs here.

I would not bid 3♥ on this hand: I'd like to have a 6th card in the suit, but it is not a horrible bid. In fact, if I felt that partner was likely to be on lead against a suit, I'd risk the call for the lead-directing benefit. I'm not as worried about the lead against 3N, since I hold 10xx in diamonds and spade control.

As it is, LHO has announced a heart holding such as AJ9x and his partner has pulled the penalty double. So it looks to me as if partner has xx or (more likely) xxx in hearts, and with that delicious club holding, the defence to 4♦ is easy to forsee: heart to the A, heart ruff, club to the Queen, heart ruff, club to the Ace, club with RHO scoring 3 trump tricks from Jxx

So in hindsight, I am happy to have bid 3♥ because the opps have told me not to bid anymore.

I am picturing partner with x xxx AQJxxx xxx and LHO with Jx AJ9x x AQxxxx and RHO with KQ10xxxx x Kxx xx (i don't care where the club J is )

Now, of course, the actual hands will be different, but I cannot construct a hand consistent with the auction on which 4♦ is probably a good call at this point.

And while I am now happy with 3♥, I would have bid 3♦.. it preempts clubs as effectively as 3♥... and I'd expect to be on lead most of the time.

[han]

I think you are too soft on 3♥ mikeh, I expected you to write that it shows a basic lack of understanding, or something like that.

[jillybean]

Change the auction:

Dealer: West Vul: All Scoring: IMP

♠ A94 ♥ KQ987 ♦ T65 ♣ K5

West North East South

1♣ 1♦ 1♠ ?


Now ♥ is the correct bid, showing ♦ support later if needed.

[cherdano]

In your second auction I would double, which typically shows 5 hearts and 2+ diamonds (snap-dragon, which is just a fancy word for a takeout double in this position). 2♥ is ok if forcing, but actually I am not sure whether that is standard.

[the hog]

Kathryn, if you play that changes of suit after an overcall are forcing, then you should bid 2H on the second auction. Partner has bid 2D vul and should have a decent hand. If cos is non forcing, then I would double.

On the first hand I would not have introduced the H suit and would have raised Ds; certainly pass now.

[han]

I think 2♥ is ok as NF Arend, I don't want partner to bid again with the hands my partners often overcall on.

[P_Marlowe]

#1 Pass,
I think 3H is ok, and it should show at least
diamond tolerance, but there are posters on
this forum, who are clearly better than me,
and who disagree with me.
Given the bal. shape I may not have made
the bid, but I would defend my partner,
... I always do, even if he was completly nuts,
I have to, since he plays with me.

#2 2H is ok, forcing / nonforcing, I prefer the later,
you have a exit plan in case it gets ugly

With kind regards
Marlowe

[jtfanclub]

cherdano, on Sep 17 2007, 07:46 PM, said:

In your second auction I would double, which typically shows 5 hearts and 2+ diamonds (snap-dragon, which is just a fancy word for a takeout double in this position). 2♥ is ok if forcing, but actually I am not sure whether that is standard.

I think NF Constructive is standard, but I'm happy with that. If your partner passes with 2-3 hearts and a 10 count, are you seriously going to be upset?

[Fluffy]

Double or 2♥ depends on your style, I prefer 2♥

[han]

jtfanclub, on Sep 18 2007, 09:22 AM, said:

cherdano, on Sep 17 2007, 07:46 PM, said:

In your second auction I would double, which typically shows 5 hearts and 2+ diamonds (snap-dragon, which is just a fancy word for a takeout double in this position). 2♥ is ok if forcing, but actually I am not sure whether that is standard.

I think NF Constructive is standard, but I'm happy with that. If your partner passes with 2-3 hearts and a 10 count, are you seriously going to be upset?

jt, we agree!

[cherdano]

jtfanclub, on Sep 18 2007, 08:22 AM, said:

cherdano, on Sep 17 2007, 07:46 PM, said:

In your second auction I would double, which typically shows 5 hearts and 2+ diamonds (snap-dragon, which is just a fancy word for a takeout double in this position). 2♥ is ok if forcing, but actually I am not sure whether that is standard.

I think NF Constructive is standard, but I'm happy with that. If your partner passes with 2-3 hearts and a 10 count, are you seriously going to be upset?

If 2♥ is NF and constructive, I think partner should often pass with a singleton. I don't like that.

[skjaeran]

jillybean2, on Sep 18 2007, 02:07 AM, said:

Change the auction:

Dealer: West Vul: All Scoring: IMP

♠ A94 ♥ KQ987 ♦ T65 ♣ K5

West North East South

1♣ 1♦ 1♠ ?


Now ♥ is the correct bid, showing ♦ support later if needed.

Here I double, showing 5c♥ and ♦ tolerance.