[kenberg]

uday, on Sep 8 2007, 05:31 PM, said:

Who would do the ungagging?

That was my first thought when I read the suggestion. I agree it is a problem. In these high kib situations there may well be stars. You could agree that all stars are automatically ungagged, and perhaps that they can each ungag one or two friends. I don't doubt that there could be a better way (I spent all of thirty seconds on the above plan), but I think something practical could be found. All regular vugraph commentators get automatic ungagging. No doubt there could be other names that would come to mind.

Perhaps the ungagged stars approach would work only for the highest level kibbing but that is also where it could be the most useful.

[CSGibson]

Restrictions on kibitzer chat do happen in high level matches on VuGraph. If you are so bothered by the extraneous chatter, restrict your viewing to those matches.

I think is arrogance to think that BBO should be changed dramatically to enhance YOUR viewing when others are obviously enjoying things as is. Try to have some perspective...it's online bridge.

[Walddk]

kenberg, on Sep 9 2007, 02:16 AM, said:

All regular vugraph commentators get automatic ungagging.

Wishful thinking. I ungag vugraph commentators 99% of the time. Once they are ungagged, they remain ungagged until a yellow (usually me) gags them, or until next maintenance.

Then the ungagging procedure has to start all over again. It's not brain surgery but it's time consuming.

Regarding team matches we have had this debate before. My view hasn't changed. Since spectator chat is disallowed in the vugraph theatre, I think it's ok to have free speech during team matches.

However, I wish that specs would stick to bridge related matters. As we all know, this is not always the case.

Roland

[Georgegx]

Maybe we just need a way of dropping the gabby kibs for the session. Say, highlight then Control minus to drop them for the current session. That way you can keep your mates, even if they are gabby, and get rid of the mildly obnoxious. And you don't need to create enemies or stop Kib chat. Whilst expecting people to be responsible and courteous there are always who aren't that sensitive. The effect would disappear at logoff.

[Tola18]

zielona, on Sep 8 2007, 12:30 AM, said:

How about the simple rule:
> 100 kibitzers ==> chat to kibitzers allowed if your ranking is adv+
> 400 kibitzers ==> chat to kibitzers allowed to expert and world class only

Nay. the problem istn beginner asking question about bridge, or something alike. The problem is the gibberish talk by quite some made only to let their sound around.

The solution perhaps a double chatbox?
One about the actual bridge, the other for social and allround purposes.

Next problem there will probably always be someone breaking the rules, and doing gibbering on the bridge chat. Or making "funny" bridge-comments...

In any case. A double chat-boax IS useful also during play. Say Im chatting with one opponent, but at same time the other oppenent wants something. Or I want to talk to partner too.
So I must choose. Not answer, or clear the chatbox from already written message, perhaps a long message...

[kenberg]

CSGibson, on Sep 9 2007, 12:23 AM, said:

Restrictions on kibitzer chat do happen in high level matches on VuGraph. If you are so bothered by the extraneous chatter, restrict your viewing to those matches.

I think is arrogance to think that BBO should be changed dramatically to enhance YOUR viewing when others are obviously enjoying things as is. Try to have some perspective...it's online bridge.

I an sorry that you see this as arrogant, lacking in perspective, a major change and so on. I see it as offering people a choice. Those who enjoy the general free for all conversation would make one choice, those who do not would make the other choice.

Possibly, as Roland suggests, it would be more trouble than it is worth. If so, I'll be fine. I can understand "It ain't so easy to do".

[Badmonster]

I don't think the chat should be restricted by gags. Most people on BBO are adults. Be considerate and gag yourselves!

[dogsbreath]

hi all

Maybe if we catch people enjoying themselves on BBO we should put a stop to it as quickly as possible.

RGDS dog

[Aberlour10]

Sad consequences, the italian superstars closed their table for the kibbers tonight

Robert

[CSGibson]

kenberg, on Sep 9 2007, 07:38 AM, said:

CSGibson, on Sep 9 2007, 12:23 AM, said:

Restrictions on kibitzer chat do happen in high level matches on VuGraph.  If you are so bothered by the extraneous chatter, restrict your viewing to those matches. 

I think is arrogance to think that BBO should be changed dramatically to enhance YOUR viewing when others are obviously enjoying things as is.  Try to have some perspective...it's online bridge.

I an sorry that you see this as arrogant, lacking in perspective, a major change and so on. I see it as offering people a choice. Those who enjoy the general free for all conversation would make one choice, those who do not would make the other choice.

Possibly, as Roland suggests, it would be more trouble than it is worth. If so, I'll be fine. I can understand "It ain't so easy to do".

I wasn't actually speaking to any one person. Some of the ideas on here are workable so that both extremes - the social people and the people who are focused solely on bridge - can be happy with the result. I was mostly appalled by the suggestions that would limit the joy that social people got out of the matches in order to increase the joy of the people focused solely on bridge.

Personally I am kibitzing both to learn and to be social, so I would love to see some of the compromises here like dual chatboxes, but gagging people or restricting people on these online matches seem extreme.

[kenberg]

It appears (see the post of Robert above) that the greater issue may be: How do we set up kibbing so that superstars who generously open up their games for our viewing do not come to find the experience too unpleasant to continue. The annoyance I may feel with the off-topic chatter is insignificant by comparison, and in the interest of dealing with the more serious problem I abandon any further thought about it.

A person who kibs Fantoni et al and starts gabbing about how these guys aren't world class and he could do better is, of course, delusional. He embarrasses himself, but he harms us all.

[zasanya]

Aberlour10, on Sep 9 2007, 02:31 PM, said:

Sad consequences, the italian superstars closed their table for the kibbers tonight

Robert

Very surprising!At the end of the session which I watched, Fantoni actually thanked
all the kibs! I made a suggestion in kibbitzer chat that someone on behalf of all the kibs should thank the players.One of the kibs a 'yellow if I remember right commented "our presence in such large numbers shows our appreciation".May not be exact words but something to that effect.

[barmar]

In my experience, at least 75% of the kibitzer chat is about the bridge. Occasionally there are some tangents and random conversations, but I've never seen it overwhelm the on-topic talk for longer than a few minutes.

Yes, we're mainly here to watch the bridge, but the regulars have formed a community. Private chat won't work for them because it's more than just one-on-one conversations.

It might be nice if there were multiple chat windows, so the two types of chat could be segregated. Until that happens, here's my suggestion: lighten up.

[zasanya]

kenberg, on Sep 9 2007, 10:24 PM, said:

It appears (see the post of Robert above) that the greater  issue may be: How do we set up kibbing so that superstars who generously open up their games for our viewing do not come to find the experience too unpleasant to continue.......

The chat was never directed at the table .In any case the host has the option to cut off chat to table.So I do not see how the players are inconvenienced.

[paulg]

zasanya, on Sep 10 2007, 04:31 AM, said:

kenberg, on Sep 9 2007, 10:24 PM, said:

It appears (see the post of Robert above) that the greater  issue may be: How do we set up kibbing so that superstars who generously open up their games for our viewing do not come to find the experience too unpleasant to continue.......

The chat was never directed at the table .In any case the host has the option to cut off chat to table.So I do not see how the players are inconvenienced.

True, but many of their friends, and clients, are kibbing.

Paul

[Free]

How much useful stuff is said anyway? I mean, if people don't talk about non-bridge related stuff, they start "analysing" every move a player makes. What do I care if someone thinks that finesse taking technique was great to a beginner? What do I care if some noob thinks a contract is always down while in fact pressing the GIB key will prove him otherwise? Maybe 2 lines in 10 hands are useful information, so there's not much to learn imo.

Personally I don't care what people are saying in such room, I'm there to watch the GAME, not the chat section. And if all the movement in the chat area is distracting, people now can easily turn off kibitzer chat. What you lose? 2 useful lines in 10 boards...

[kenberg]

zasanya, on Sep 9 2007, 10:31 PM, said:

kenberg, on Sep 9 2007, 10:24 PM, said:

It appears (see the post of Robert above) that the greater  issue may be: How do we set up kibbing so that superstars who generously open up their games for our viewing do not come to find the experience too unpleasant to continue.......

The chat was never directed at the table .In any case the host has the option to cut off chat to table.So I do not see how the players are inconvenienced.

They can cut chat to the table, yes. They can also close the table to kibitzers or hide the table. It's probably too early to say if that is what they have decided to do but I think it is inevitable that at least some fine players, when they learn that opening their table to kibitzers means opening their table to insults and ridicule, will choose to stay under the radar.

As fart as I know, BBO does not pay them to play at an open table. It's a gift, an act of generosity. Some people need to learn how to show proper respect for such a gift. A large gathering will always contain a few people who cannot grasp this fact.

Boorish behavior often has consequences. That's it in a nutshell.