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What would you bid Is this a "law" case

#1 User is offline   jbr_dk 

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Posted 2007-September-01, 01:54

Hi

Just had longer discussion on BBO - All vul. You play 2/1 with bergen raises. Part opens 1H you are holding:
x, AKxxx,xxxx,xxx

what do you bid ?

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Posted 2007-September-01, 02:18

:P I think the bid on this hand since the days of P. Hal Sims has been 4. The Bergen take on this is that you have a minimum of 18 trumps (10 for you and at least 8 for the opponents in spades), and probably one or two more. I don't see any negative adjustments to this (your hand is 'pure'), so total tricks ought to be in the range of 19 or 20. Twenty tricks might well mean that both sides can make game in their major suit.

In any event, you want to contract for 10 tricks in hearts ASAP. If the opponents bid 4, you might even consider the 5 save depending on the subsequent auction and the feel of the table. Another, dangerous but devious, way to go would be to hide the heart fit with some psyche (never do this at pairs or at a Swiss), and arrange to emerge at 4.
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Posted 2007-September-01, 03:59

This is a normal (for today's players) 4 bid, of the "bid game and see if it makes" variety.
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Posted 2007-September-01, 10:27

Hej jbr, velkommen til bbo-forum! Jeg haaber du vil foele dig hjemme her :P

Jeg ville melde 4.
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Posted 2007-September-01, 10:37

Hei jbr, og velkommen i klubben!

I think this is an obvious 4.
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Posted 2007-September-01, 21:40

Hi folks

Thanks for the comments - I bid 4H myself and was never in doubt. My opp (who is a good and quite experienced player) argued he would bid 2H due to the many loosers - it became quite a long discussion about the Law and rather the limitations of it - At the end I said "lets post the problem and let the people be the judge" :rolleyes:


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Posted 2007-September-02, 09:47

I would never ever bid 2H with this, the hand is far too strong.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-September-02, 10:37

1S is the only alternative to 4H, but isn't really my taste.
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Posted 2007-September-02, 10:49

Jlall, on Sep 2 2007, 06:37 PM, said:

1S is the only alternative to 4H, but isn't really my taste.

Is this the lowest splinter ever? :P
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Posted 2007-September-02, 16:13

I'd consider 2 with 5332 or even 5422, not with this.
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Posted 2007-September-02, 16:13

jbr_dk, on Sep 1 2007, 10:40 PM, said:

Hi folks

Thanks for the comments - I bid 4H myself and was never in doubt. My opp (who is a good and quite experienced player) argued he would bid 2H due to the many loosers - it became quite a long discussion about the Law and rather the limitations of it - At the end I said "lets post the problem and let the people be the  judge" :)


JBR

Hi,

if he argues with loosers, than 3H it is, after all
you have 8 loosers.

But there are adjustments, which speak for
upgrading this hand to 7 loosers, justifing 4H.

So, I could live with 3H or 4H, but 2H is just ...

With kind regards
Marlowe
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Posted 2007-September-03, 07:09

the only alternative to 4 is 4.5 to prevent opps intervening with 4.
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Posted 2007-September-03, 07:22

gwnn, on Sep 3 2007, 03:09 PM, said:

the only alternative to 4 is 4.5 to prevent opps intervening with 4.

The Xango epidemics strikes again :)
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Posted 2007-September-09, 07:23

Automatic 4

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