What would u bid?
fit or fury
#2
Posted 2007-September-01, 05:35
I dont think 3NT I safe unelss you have a way to ask pard for a heart stoppper and are sure they have the K of Diamonds
I think bidding 5♦ is safer. You can ruff some Clubs, If pard has only the King you can finesse the J. If he has both you can ruff a club and make easily.
In fact, with 1-2-7-3 shape you can make 6 if the opps fail to lead hearts.
If playing MP its tougher. Even though 5D is probably more likley to make, you will still do poorly when both make.
#3
Posted 2007-September-01, 05:56
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This is a partnership style issue. Most would tend to have the KQ. I might not
I agree with you on 5D at IMPs, 3NT at MPs, though at MPs it's close.
Peter
#4
Posted 2007-September-01, 06:08
I'm not fond of 3N at any form of scoring. 3♠ looks to be a better choice.
#5
Posted 2007-September-01, 07:04
#7
Posted 2007-September-01, 20:34
-P.J. Painter.
#8
Posted 2007-September-01, 20:51
kenrexford, on Sep 1 2007, 09:34 PM, said:
4c would be rkc for d for me.
#9
Posted 2007-September-01, 20:58
I expect partner to have 7 diam on this vulnerability. Partner may have a heart honor or heart shortness.
I'll start with 3S (forcing). If opener bids 4D or 4C, I bid 5D. I will pass partner's spade raise.
If by some miracle partner bids 4H, we will play in 6D.
#12
Posted 2007-September-01, 23:51
BebopKid (Bryan Lee Williams)
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#13
Posted 2007-September-03, 05:17
As the title implies, this hand wasn't a peaceful one...
I was in this position, East. At that time I thought slam could be there on things like xxx x KQxxxxx xx or xx Kx Kxxxxxx xx
hence I bid 6♦ directly (glad there are some who agreed...), all passed
I was quite frustrated when the computer showed me the full hand (6 card ♦??? at this vul???), and even more frustrated with opps figuring out the worst lead just by guessing lol
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3♦ P 6♦ P
P P
lead ♥J
6♦W-2
-7.13 IMPs
I would not even think about leading from KJx in something like this
Then it just came so quick I almost didn't notice it. I did not see the second card played. P simply insta-boot me from the table without a word...I only got the results from myhands
They actually have 4♥, and we have 4♠, 5♠ too if they sac us at 5♥ or 5♣, so the field is 4♠ making 5...just no 5♦ or 6♦
Comments on this wild hand?
#14
Posted 2007-September-03, 05:36
You should report your p to abuse for this incident.
FWIW, I don't know if I would bid 5 or 6 diamonds. 3♠ is fine at matchpoints but at IMPs, 5♦ is as good as 4♠ if p has a spade fit.
The 3♦ opening is a little too agresive for my taste (if a weak 2♦ was available) but it's not wrong.
#15
Posted 2007-September-03, 06:12
Your partners 3D is hyper agressive, to put it nice,
but I think so is the 6D bid.
In partners hand: Take away a spade and give
him a diamonds, and you have a normal 3D opener
at equal vulnerability, and you still have your 2 heart
loosers. Requiring that a vulnerable 3 level preempt
shows a hand, which goes at most -2 is common, but
I would say that such a requirement is a bit more
conservative than mainstream.
Bidding 6D with your hand is just gamling, risking your
sure game bonus, for the slam bonus.
With kind regards
Marlowe
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#16
Posted 2007-September-03, 13:12
- hrothgar
#17
Posted 2007-September-03, 13:51
Hannie, on Sep 3 2007, 09:12 PM, said:
Me too. Any suit except trumps is possible, but a ♥ looks best to me.
Harald
#18
Posted 2007-September-04, 09:37
I really don't understand the 3♦ open. I would expect, being vulnerable, that a 3♦ opener would be a full trick better than a weak 2♦ opener - either an extra diamond, or something useful outside. This hand doesn't even offer up a singleton!
Over 2♦, which is all I think partner is good for, 5♦ seems reasonable, and makes on a 2-2 spade split. You've made the same jump over a 3♦ open, expecting partner to have a little bit more, and knowing full well that it's a gamble.
6♦ is always going to be a roll of the dice, but you should be able to reasonably expect a bit more from partner than what you got, imo.
0.02
V
"gwnn" said:
hanp does not always mean literally what he writes.
#19
Posted 2007-September-04, 10:33
6♦ was a casino raise. With you holding only 2♥, partner probably doesn't have a stiff ♥ and expecting him to either have the ♥King, or for them to lead a non-heart.. well, it's a large gamble.
3♠ would be forcing by responder.... why not try that? You can always get back to 5♦ in the long run. Of course, a partner who opens 3♦ here probably won't raise your spades holding 3 of them, and he might even pass (!), so maybe a direct 5♦ is the sensible thing after all.
#20
Posted 2007-September-04, 18:11
vuroth, on Sep 4 2007, 10:37 AM, said:
I really don't understand the 3♦ open. I would expect, being vulnerable, that a 3♦ opener would be a full trick better than a weak 2♦ opener - either an extra diamond, or something useful outside. This hand doesn't even offer up a singleton!
Over 2♦, which is all I think partner is good for, 5♦ seems reasonable, and makes on a 2-2 spade split. You've made the same jump over a 3♦ open, expecting partner to have a little bit more, and knowing full well that it's a gamble.
6♦ is always going to be a roll of the dice, but you should be able to reasonably expect a bit more from partner than what you got, imo.
0.02
V
I know players who won't open that trash 2♦ when red since it really doesn't preempt a heck of a lot.
Still 6♦ is a gamble, but the slow route will likely pinpoint the ♥ lead.
I would leave the table anyhow, if PD uttered 1 cross word about my 6♦ without appologizing for being a clear trick and ♦ short.
That being said, I think I'd take the slower route via 3♠.

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