[jim420]

MBC, pickup p

Scoring: IMP

W N E S
3♦ P ?

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What would u bid?

[ArcLight]

What does pard usually have for a vulnerbale 3♦ bid? Just the K? Both the K and Q?

I dont think 3NT I safe unelss you have a way to ask pard for a heart stoppper and are sure they have the K of Diamonds

I think bidding 5♦ is safer. You can ruff some Clubs, If pard has only the King you can finesse the J. If he has both you can ruff a club and make easily.
In fact, with 1-2-7-3 shape you can make 6 if the opps fail to lead hearts.

If playing MP its tougher. Even though 5D is probably more likley to make, you will still do poorly when both make.

[pbleighton]

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What does pard usually have for a vulnerbale 3D bid? Just the K? Both the K and Q?

This is a partnership style issue. Most would tend to have the KQ. I might not

I agree with you on 5D at IMPs, 3NT at MPs, though at MPs it's close.

Peter

[hrothgar]

5♦ (Seems the most practical choice opposite a pickup partner)

I'm not fond of 3N at any form of scoring. 3♠ looks to be a better choice.

[david_c]

I'd bid 6♦. It might be cold, or (more likely) it might make on a non-heart lead. Seems good enough for me. Sure you could play in 5♦ and score up two overtricks, but where's the fun in that?

[mike777]

6D, let them find hearts.

[kenrexford]

4♣ for me, although I play that as asking for a control if partner has one.

[mike777]

kenrexford, on Sep 1 2007, 09:34 PM, said:

4♣ for me, although I play that as asking for a control if partner has one.

4c would be rkc for d for me.

[SoTired]

I remind you this is BIL.

I expect partner to have 7 diam on this vulnerability. Partner may have a heart honor or heart shortness.

I'll start with 3S (forcing). If opener bids 4D or 4C, I bid 5D. I will pass partner's spade raise.

If by some miracle partner bids 4H, we will play in 6D.

[Mr. Dodgy]

ditto sotired

[BebopKid]

What about bidding 3♠ and if partner supports leave it in 4♠, otherwise put it in 5♦?

[jim420]

well, thx all for the replies so far

As the title implies, this hand wasn't a peaceful one...

I was in this position, East. At that time I thought slam could be there on things like xxx x KQxxxxx xx or xx Kx Kxxxxxx xx

hence I bid 6♦ directly (glad there are some who agreed...), all passed

I was quite frustrated when the computer showed me the full hand (6 card ♦??? at this vul???), and even more frustrated with opps figuring out the worst lead just by guessing lol

Scoring: IMP

W N E S
3♦ P 6♦ P
P P
lead ♥J
6♦W-2
-7.13 IMPs

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I would not even think about leading from KJx in something like this

Then it just came so quick I almost didn't notice it. I did not see the second card played. P simply insta-boot me from the table without a word...I only got the results from myhands

They actually have 4♥, and we have 4♠, 5♠ too if they sac us at 5♥ or 5♣, so the field is 4♠ making 5...just no 5♦ or 6♦

Comments on this wild hand?

[helene_t]

Why not lead a heart? Even if declarer has the queen and dummy the ace, it is not clear if declarer dares to duck. As it is, a trump or club lead would probably set the contract as well, I don't think declarer would guess spades right.

You should report your p to abuse for this incident.

FWIW, I don't know if I would bid 5 or 6 diamonds. 3♠ is fine at matchpoints but at IMPs, 5♦ is as good as 4♠ if p has a spade fit.

The 3♦ opening is a little too agresive for my taste (if a weak 2♦ was available) but it's not wrong.

[P_Marlowe]

3S.

Your partners 3D is hyper agressive, to put it nice,
but I think so is the 6D bid.
In partners hand: Take away a spade and give
him a diamonds, and you have a normal 3D opener
at equal vulnerability, and you still have your 2 heart
loosers. Requiring that a vulnerable 3 level preempt
shows a hand, which goes at most -2 is common, but
I would say that such a requirement is a bit more
conservative than mainstream.

Bidding 6D with your hand is just gamling, risking your
sure game bonus, for the slam bonus.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[han]

Agree that a heart lead is normal.

[skjaeran]

Hannie, on Sep 3 2007, 09:12 PM, said:

Agree that a heart lead is normal.

Me too. Any suit except trumps is possible, but a ♥ looks best to me.

[vuroth]

6♦ is nothing to be kicked out of a table for. Wow.

I really don't understand the 3♦ open. I would expect, being vulnerable, that a 3♦ opener would be a full trick better than a weak 2♦ opener - either an extra diamond, or something useful outside. This hand doesn't even offer up a singleton!

Over 2♦, which is all I think partner is good for, 5♦ seems reasonable, and makes on a 2-2 spade split. You've made the same jump over a 3♦ open, expecting partner to have a little bit more, and knowing full well that it's a gamble.

6♦ is always going to be a roll of the dice, but you should be able to reasonably expect a bit more from partner than what you got, imo.

0.02

V

[ralph23]

3♦ opening in first seat with all red was just crazy. Wasn't a weak-2 available to him?

6♦ was a casino raise. With you holding only 2♥, partner probably doesn't have a stiff ♥ and expecting him to either have the ♥King, or for them to lead a non-heart.. well, it's a large gamble.

3♠ would be forcing by responder.... why not try that? You can always get back to 5♦ in the long run. Of course, a partner who opens 3♦ here probably won't raise your spades holding 3 of them, and he might even pass (!), so maybe a direct 5♦ is the sensible thing after all.

[neilkaz]

vuroth, on Sep 4 2007, 10:37 AM, said:

6♦ is nothing to be kicked out of a table for.  Wow. 

I really don't understand the 3♦ open.  I would expect, being vulnerable, that a 3♦ opener would be a full trick better than a weak 2♦ opener - either an extra diamond, or something useful outside.  This hand doesn't even offer up a singleton!

Over 2♦, which is all I think partner is good for, 5♦ seems reasonable, and makes on a 2-2 spade split.  You've made the same jump over a 3♦ open, expecting partner to have a little bit more, and knowing full well that it's a gamble.

6♦ is always going to be a roll of the dice, but you should be able to reasonably expect a bit more from partner than what you got, imo.

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V

I know players who won't open that trash 2♦ when red since it really doesn't preempt a heck of a lot.

Still 6♦ is a gamble, but the slow route will likely pinpoint the ♥ lead.

I would leave the table anyhow, if PD uttered 1 cross word about my 6♦ without appologizing for being a clear trick and ♦ short.

That being said, I think I'd take the slower route via 3♠.