[ArcLight]

IMPS, unfavorable (using 2/1 not SAYC, and not some home grown bids - please use "standard" not that there is one

In 2nd seat pard opens 1NT (15-17)

how do you bid this:
♠ Q 9 8 x x
♥ A Q 9 x x x
♦ K x
♣ void

[han]

This depends on methods. If you have a method to show 5-6 in a gameforcing hand then obviously you use that. If not you have two alternatives:

1) Show a gameforcing hand with 5-5 in the majors.

2) Bid Stayman followed by 3S (4-5 in the majors, GF) and if partner signs off bid 4H.

I would choose (1), especially if you can show your club shortness later.

[kenrexford]

Which of the fifteen versions of "standard" are we using today?

If I get to guess, I'll use one of the fifteen versions I like. I'll bid 3♦. 55+ in the majors, invitational+.

[pbleighton]

*Standard* in my area is 3S, which is GF, 5-5 or better in the majors, which is what I bid.

Not playing that, I transfer to hearts, then bid 3S, if pd bids 3NT I bid 4H.

Peter

[skjaeran]

pbleighton, on Sep 1 2007, 02:06 PM, said:

*Standard* in my area is 3S, which is GF, 5-5 or better in the majors, which is what I bid.

Not playing that, I transfer to hearts, then bid 3S,

That would be a splinter in my methods.

I'd transfer to ♠ and jump to 4♥ (that's NOT a splinter to me ).

[awm]

It seems to me that this hand has pretty good slam prospects opposite a 1NT opening.

People are suggesting various ways to show both majors and get to game, but I'm not convinced that sequences involving "correcting" 3NT to four of a major will get us to slam when it's right.

I'd try something like 2♦ (transfer) followed by 3♠ and then 4♦ (basically patterning out).

[Fluffy]

I would bid 2♥+3♥ showing a strong 5-5 in the majors, with some luck I'll be able to show my club shortness later.

Also Hearts are a good trump unless partner has xx, transfer+splinter seems a good alternative.

[pclayton]

Standard for me is to start with 2♣. I'll get very excited over 2 major.

Over the expected 2♦, 3♦ is pick a major, I'm at least 5-5. From there I can make a move.

[P_Marlowe]

ArcLight, on Aug 31 2007, 10:41 PM, said:

IMPS, unfavorable (using 2/1 not SAYC, and not some home grown bids - please use "standard" not that there is one

In 2nd seat pard opens 1NT (15-17)

how do you bid this:
♠ Q 9 8 x x
♥ A Q 9 x x x
♦ K x
♣ void

Hi,

your question has nothing to do with SAYC or 2/1.

Transfer to spades, intending to 3H should show
a game forcing hand with at least 5-5 in the mayors.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[pbleighton]

Quote

Transfer to spades, intending to 3H should show
a game forcing hand with at least 5-5 in the mayors.

Depends on agreements, for many this shows at least 5-4.

Peter

[han]

ok, so now that we all agree that there is no "standard" I might as well give my auction with Arend:

1NT - 2H
2S - 3D (5-5 or better in the majors, GF)
3X - 4D (slam interest, patterning out)

[ralph23]

pbleighton, on Sep 1 2007, 07:06 AM, said:

*Standard* in my area is 3S, which is GF, 5-5 or better in the majors, which is what I bid.

Not playing that, I transfer to hearts, then bid 3S, if pd bids 3NT I bid 4H.

Peter

That's what we play as "standard" as do many in our circle, but I can't remember the last time it came up....

[mike777]

ralph23, on Sep 1 2007, 04:16 PM, said:

pbleighton, on Sep 1 2007, 07:06 AM, said:

*Standard* in my area is 3S, which is GF, 5-5 or better in the majors, which is what I bid.

Not playing that, I transfer to hearts, then bid 3S, if pd bids 3NT I bid 4H.

Peter

That's what we play as "standard" as do many in our circle, but I can't remember the last time it came up....

that would be a splinter for me.
I guess i would just bid stayman and over 2d rebid 3s showing 4 spades and 5hearts in an attempt to play 4H from strong side.
Over 3nt I would rebid 4H. Partner will think I have 6H and 4 spades I guess.
In any event if this is my worst bidding problem, we would never lose.

[han]

Thanks Justin, I can see why.

[CSGibson]

Jlall, on Sep 1 2007, 05:34 PM, said:

This is another auction where you can use kokish's 3rd suit shortness rule which works better than patterning out btw.

What's Kokish's third suit shortness rule?

[y66]

The Shortness Rule: In a game-forcing auction, when one partner has shown at least nine cards in two suits and a primary trump fit has been clearly established, a new suit shows shortness in the named suit and slam interest.

Source: Eric Kokish in Modern American Bidding

[TheoKole]

Bid 2 ♦ transfering to ♥, then bid 3 ♠ over the expected 2 ♥ bid, if partner bids 3NT over 3 ♠, bid 4 ♥.

Partner should have a good idea about your shape.

If partner super accepts in hearts or supports spades, I would cue bid 5 ♣ to see if he can cue bid 5 ♦.

If so then go then bid 6 of the major otherwise bid close off in 5.

Cheers,

Theo

[cnszsun]

CSGibson, on Sep 4 2007, 02:22 PM, said:

Jlall, on Sep 1 2007, 05:34 PM, said:

This is another auction where you can use kokish's 3rd suit shortness rule which works better than patterning out btw.

What's Kokish's third suit shortness rule?

Following is a more typical example to explain this:

1S-2C
2H-2S

2C is game force and 2S shows real fit. Now, by default, 3C and 3D by opener is pattern-out and implies shortness in unbid minor (with 5422 he will bid 2nt).
But, if kokish 3rd suit shortness applies, then opener bid 3C/3D to show shortness in the bid suit.

To be honest, i don't know the advantages of this method. Could anybody explain?

[TylerE]

Being able to show shortness below game is never bad.