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Another free bid with 6 hcp?

Poll: Do you? (21 member(s) have cast votes)

Do you?

  1. 4H (10 votes [47.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 47.62%

  2. Pass (11 votes [52.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 52.38%

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#1 User is offline   cherdano 

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Posted 2007-August-29, 09:21

Scoring: IMP

P (1♦) 1♥ (2♥)
3♥ (4♣) ?

Please live with 1♥, 2♥ would have been IJO and 3♥ not a hand this weak red vs white, and anyway partner will allow for a hand this weak.

Do you take another bid?
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Posted 2007-August-29, 09:23

3H promises 4 card support?

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Posted 2007-August-29, 09:50

P_Marlowe, on Aug 29 2007, 09:23 AM, said:

3H promises 4 card support?

No.
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Posted 2007-August-29, 09:58

cherdano, on Aug 29 2007, 10:21 AM, said:

Do you take another bid?

I'd be very happy if they ended up in 4 of a minor. I don't want to do anything to encourage them to go to 5. At this vulnerability, I'm not interested in saving over 5 of a minor.

Pass, and pass again if it comes back to me at 5 of a minor.
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Posted 2007-August-29, 10:01

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I'd be very happy if they ended up in 4 of a minor. I don't want to do anything to encourage them to go to 5. At this vulnerability, I'm not interested in saving over 5 of a minor.

Pass, and pass again if it comes back to me at 5 of a minor.


Agree, particularly since 3H doesn't promise 4. Even if it did I'd pass.

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Posted 2007-August-29, 10:13

Opps will save over 4♥ when it's going off.

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Posted 2007-August-29, 10:24

jtfanclub, on Aug 29 2007, 05:58 PM, said:

cherdano, on Aug 29 2007, 10:21 AM, said:

Do you take another bid?

I'd be very happy if they ended up in 4 of a minor. I don't want to do anything to encourage them to go to 5. At this vulnerability, I'm not interested in saving over 5 of a minor.

Pass, and pass again if it comes back to me at 5 of a minor.

Opps are in a GF situation. They will bid 5♦ or 6♦. Am I going to bid 5♥ at this vul? Maybe, after all partner is aware of the vul as well and I could have a lot less O-D than I do. Maybe getting doubled in 4♥ and make it .....
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Posted 2007-August-29, 10:27

cherdano, on Aug 29 2007, 10:50 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Aug 29 2007, 09:23 AM, said:

3H promises 4 card support?

No.

Hi,

I feared so, and in this case I pass.

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Posted 2007-August-29, 11:11

helene_t, on Aug 29 2007, 11:24 AM, said:

Opps are in a GF situation.

How so?

1♦ (1♥) 2♥ is just limit raise or better, the way most people play it.
The 2♥ bidder hasn't had another call, so his hand hasn't become stronger.
The 4♣ bid is choice of suits, it doesn't show a strong hand.

which call made the auction GF?
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Posted 2007-August-29, 11:17

jtfanclub, on Aug 29 2007, 07:58 AM, said:

cherdano, on Aug 29 2007, 10:21 AM, said:

Do you take another bid?

I'd be very happy if they ended up in 4 of a minor. I don't want to do anything to encourage them to go to 5. At this vulnerability, I'm not interested in saving over 5 of a minor.

Pass, and pass again if it comes back to me at 5 of a minor.

Fantasyland.

I'm more worried about the opponents bidding slam than hoping they stay out of game. I want to take away their cue, so I'll try 4♥.
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Posted 2007-August-29, 11:41

I'd pass...

The opponents are not going to play four of a minor. Bidding 4♥ just gives them a "fielder's choice" to double us or bid on. It doesn't even take away any space, since we're giving them a forcing pass and a double instead of 4♦ and 4♥ bids. In addition, bidding might warn them of bad breaks (it's easy to believe they will bid slam and go off if I pass) or of duplication of shortness (what if they both upgrade for their small singleton heart?).

I don't really think we're going to sacrifice in 5♥ or 6♥ at these colors.
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Posted 2007-August-29, 11:55

awm, on Aug 29 2007, 11:41 AM, said:

The opponents are not going to play four of a minor. Bidding 4♥ just gives them a "fielder's choice" to double us or bid on. It doesn't even take away any space, since we're giving them a forcing pass and a double instead of 4♦ and 4♥ bids.

Is it clear pass is forcing? (Opponents are very good experts but first-time partners.)
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Posted 2007-August-29, 13:09

This is a clearcut pass to me.
4♥ won't take away any space for opps, we don't want to save at these colours, and of course a pass by LHO is forcing here; LHO already invited game and RHO bid a new suit at the 4-level, which must at least be encouraging. Opps won't stop at the 4-level now, more probably they're heading for slam.
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Posted 2007-August-29, 13:51

4H

I agree with pclayton, opps are on their way to slam, not wondering about game. In real life I would probably bid 5H.
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Posted 2007-August-29, 14:01

I was going to say Pass, wtp, until I saw some posters have a problem. :P
My main worry is partner will double the opp assuming I have some defense for my unfav vul 1H overcall. I assume IJO of 2H would promise 6 hearts not 5 hearts so with an opening hand and all or many hands with 5 hearts I must overcall one heart?
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Posted 2007-August-29, 16:12

If opponents are gonan bid slam, 4♥ is helping them revealing our large fit.
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Posted 2007-August-29, 16:21

easy pass
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Posted 2007-August-29, 17:32

I was partner and after the hand I had an opinion about 4♥ :-). I think it is very interesting though an I would certainly like to hear from more players.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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