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both vuln. (please answer for both IMPS and MP)
RHO (North) opens 1 spade
1. Would you (East) overcall 2H with this hand? If not how much does it need to be improved so as to overcall?
♠A x x
♥A K x x x
♦K x x
♣ x x
2. Now switch seats to South (the partner of the 1♠ opener)
Assume East overcalls 2♥, you pass and pard reopens with a DBL.
1♠ (2♥) p p
X p ?
What do you bid with:
♠ x x
♥ J T x x
♣ x x x
♦ J x x x
Do you pass for penalties (and risk Overcaller being doubled into game)?
Or bid 2♠?
Or what else?
Perhaps I am mistaken but it seems to me extremely dangerous to pass.
Maybe in MP? But I can't imagine doing so in IMPS
is this worth a 2H overcall? 1 spade in SAYC
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Posted 2007-August-23, 06:54
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1. Overcall? Yes.
2. After reopening double: 2♠.
Same at both forms of scoring.
2. After reopening double: 2♠.
Same at both forms of scoring.
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Posted 2007-August-23, 07:11
1. An overcall is clear at any form of scoring.
2. 2S at imps, pass at mps (though 2S is close).
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2. 2S at imps, pass at mps (though 2S is close).
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Posted 2007-August-23, 07:31
- 1. Yes, but I don't think it's an obvious overcall. I would be happier with a weaker hand:
♠ Axx
♥ AKJ9xx
♦ xx
♣ xx
- 2. 2♠. Pass is out of the question at any form of scoring.
Roland
♠ Axx
♥ AKJ9xx
♦ xx
♣ xx
- 2. 2♠. Pass is out of the question at any form of scoring.
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Agree with Roland:
- the overcall is the best way to get your hand off your chest.
- if partner doubles, bid 2♠, you're way too weak to pass that in, even at MP!
- the overcall is the best way to get your hand off your chest.
- if partner doubles, bid 2♠, you're way too weak to pass that in, even at MP!
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Posted 2007-August-23, 07:35
1. 2♥, a better than average overcall that I've seen.
2. At IMPs, 2♠. Can't afford to risk a misdefense and a -470/670 swing back to teammates, especially at Swiss. At MPs, 2♠ as well - you have probably one trump trick and no entries. Very anti-field if you pass here.
2. At IMPs, 2♠. Can't afford to risk a misdefense and a -470/670 swing back to teammates, especially at Swiss. At MPs, 2♠ as well - you have probably one trump trick and no entries. Very anti-field if you pass here.
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Posted 2007-August-23, 07:37
I agree with Roland, give me a hand with same HC but less controls and I wouldn't overcall at all.
Passing 2♥ double has no sense. Clear 2♠.
Passing 2♥ double has no sense. Clear 2♠.
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Posted 2007-August-23, 07:54
>>- 1. Yes, but I don't think it's an obvious overcall. I would be happier with a weaker hand:
♠ Axx
♥ AKJ9xx
♦ xx
♣ xx
>>I agree with Roland, give me a hand with same HC but less controls and I wouldn't overcall at all.
Am I misunderstanding or are these two statements are in conflict?
I take it that Roland would rather overcall with a hand with an extra trump (the J) at the expense of the K♦.
I think Fluffy is saying to pass with that hand?
♠ Axx
♥ AKJ9xx
♦ xx
♣ xx
>>I agree with Roland, give me a hand with same HC but less controls and I wouldn't overcall at all.
Am I misunderstanding or are these two statements are in conflict?
I take it that Roland would rather overcall with a hand with an extra trump (the J) at the expense of the K♦.
I think Fluffy is saying to pass with that hand?
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Posted 2007-August-23, 08:15
ArcLight, on Aug 23 2007, 03:54 PM, said:
I take it that Roland would rather overcall with a hand with an extra trump (the J) at the expense of the K♦.
Correct. Longer and stronger suits make an overcall better. No one will disagree that AKJ9xxx is better than AKxxx, so I am happy to sacrifice ♦K if I can get an extra heart, preferably an honour.
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Posted 2007-August-23, 08:53
ArcLight, on Aug 23 2007, 01:54 PM, said:
I think Fluffy is saying to pass with that hand?
No, sorry HC stands for HCP.
I mean Axx AKxxx Qxx Jx and I will pass. But AAKK is too strong.
Opening values with good 6 cards won't pass, actually that's exactly my book definition of a 2 level overcall.
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Posted 2007-August-23, 08:57
Walddk, on Aug 23 2007, 08:31 AM, said:
- 1. Yes, but I don't think it's an obvious overcall. I would be happier with a weaker hand:
♠ Axx
♥ AKJ9xx
♦ xx
♣ xx
- 2. 2♠. Pass is out of the question at any form of scoring.
Roland
♠ Axx
♥ AKJ9xx
♦ xx
♣ xx
- 2. 2♠. Pass is out of the question at any form of scoring.
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Posted 2007-August-23, 09:44
Yes overcall, if you don't you will get stolen from/shut out too many times.
After the reopening X 2S looks normal.
After the reopening X 2S looks normal.
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Posted 2007-August-23, 10:47
Walddk, on Aug 23 2007, 08:31 AM, said:
- 1. Yes, but I don't think it's an obvious overcall. I would be happier with a weaker hand:
♠ Axx
♥ AKJ9xx
♦ xx
♣ xx
♠ Axx
♥ AKJ9xx
♦ xx
♣ xx
I would question whether this is a weaker hand, unless by "weaker" you meant "fewer high card points".
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Posted 2007-August-23, 10:50
This is a clear 2♥ overcall IMO. Agree with Roland though that the weaker hand with longer suit is even a better overcall.
With responder's hand I think 2♠ is obvious at any form of scoring.
With responder's hand I think 2♠ is obvious at any form of scoring.
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Posted 2007-August-23, 11:51
Clear overcall for me and it would be just as clear with my K of ♥ being the Q.
2♠ in response to the balancing X is automatic.
2♠ in response to the balancing X is automatic.
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Posted 2007-August-23, 11:55
Is anyone else remotely tempted to overcall 1NT?
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Posted 2007-August-23, 12:01
hrothgar, on Aug 23 2007, 07:55 PM, said:
Is anyone else remotely tempted to overcall 1NT?
I'd routinely open this hand 1NT, but not overcall. Two reasons: I'll wrongside the contract too often and I'd receive a (♠) lead benefitting opps too.
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Posted 2007-August-23, 13:52
hrothgar, on Aug 23 2007, 12:55 PM, said:
Is anyone else remotely tempted to overcall 1NT?
Not close. I have 14 HCP a suit orinted hand with controls and poor spots.
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Posted 2007-August-23, 14:56
Need a negative vote? I would NOT overcall!
3 cards in S and empty suit..not me.
3 cards in S and empty suit..not me.
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Posted 2007-August-23, 15:05
I agree with the majority.
I did think about a 1NT overcall, but it is very wrong, IMO. Downsides are that the five-card suit is hearts and that the spade suit is too long. If I held A10x in spades, I'd be closer to 1NT (much closer), as then I don't care about "killing" partner's possible Qx.
I cannot imagine anyone passing the reopen, at any form of scoring, unless you needed a swing at BAM.
I did think about a 1NT overcall, but it is very wrong, IMO. Downsides are that the five-card suit is hearts and that the spade suit is too long. If I held A10x in spades, I'd be closer to 1NT (much closer), as then I don't care about "killing" partner's possible Qx.
I cannot imagine anyone passing the reopen, at any form of scoring, unless you needed a swing at BAM.
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