[Stephen Tu]

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But I think Orla's decision to go with the Jump to 2NT as 11-12 is the best for pick-up games. Absent prior discussion, it causes less grief to go with what the majority play.

I never said otherwise, for the 2nd round jump to 2nt, as that is clearly invitational in both official SAYC & modern tendencies, as stated in many previous posts.

The direct jump to 2nt on the 1st round, however, is more troubling. Depends entirely on partnership agreement, SAYC clearly states forcing, but so many people do not read the SAYC document ... If playing with a pickup with this undiscussed and "SAYC" agreed I would always bid on, as it costs less to try to scramble one extra trick than to languish in a partscore when game is easy. Plus you can always point to the document to defend yourself & win the post mortem .

A lot would be improved if people would stop using "SAYC" & "SA" interchangeably, not knowing that one is a specific subset of the other; for SAYC 1m-2nt should be unambiguously forcing, and 1m-1x-1y-2nt unambiguously invitational.

[Orla]

Stephen Tu, on Aug 23 2007, 08:26 AM, said:

Plus you can always point to the document to defend yourself & win the post mortem .

A lot would be improved if people would stop using "SAYC" & "SA" interchangeably, not knowing that one is a specific subset of the other;

You have probably hit the nail on the head here. I guess I assume that I play SAYC, but have actually never looked at "The Document"!!!!

Is it available on the internet? Do you know where to find it?

rla

[Walddk]

Orla, on Aug 23 2007, 07:37 AM, said:

Is it available on the internet? Do you know where to find it?

rla

Alas, zillions of different versions. Try this ...

http://tinyurl.com/2v6yht

[jtfanclub]

Walddk, on Aug 23 2007, 02:37 AM, said:

Orla, on Aug 23 2007, 07:37 AM, said:

Is it available on the internet? Do you know where to find it?

rla

Alas, zillions of different versions. Try this ...

http://tinyurl.com/2v6yht

This is the ACBL version.

http://web2.acbl.org...y/sayc_book.pdf

Much clearer than earlier versions, but I don't think anything substantial changed.