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I didn't bid 3C because that is what I'd bid with 1 less heart and 1 more club and a similar hand.
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Posted 2007-August-15, 12:30
Jlall, on Aug 15 2007, 01:19 PM, said:
I didn't bid 3C because that is what I'd bid with 1 less heart and 1 more club and a similar hand.
I gather that you consider 3♣ as nf, then... or do you upgrade x A10xxx Axx Kxxx to a forcing call? If 3♣ is nf, what do you bid with x AKxxx Axx Kxxx?
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Posted 2007-August-15, 12:33
mikeh, on Aug 15 2007, 01:30 PM, said:
Jlall, on Aug 15 2007, 01:19 PM, said:
I didn't bid 3C because that is what I'd bid with 1 less heart and 1 more club and a similar hand.
I gather that you consider 3♣ as nf, then... or do you upgrade x A10xxx Axx Kxxx to a forcing call? If 3♣ is nf, what do you bid with x AKxxx Axx Kxxx?
In this particular partnership 3C would be NF yes. This obviously creates a bunch of problems with not many good solutions. My partner was a client though and this was her system... (I usually play a 2/1 as forcing through 3 of my suit which would mean both 2N and 3m are forcing which I like).
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Posted 2007-August-15, 12:43
Mike your logic that 3♣ should be forcing is very convincing. But for better or worse I just don't think that is standard. However, for most of the example hands you are showing the problem could be solved by an original fit jump, which is not a total panacea but is surely the best solution under the circumstances. I'm guessing that is what Justin was playing since he normally does, although it's with the client so who knows, she (he?) might just play it as a weak jump.
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Posted 2007-August-15, 14:08
I think 3♣ could be non-forcing (based on the fact thant 2nt aint forcing but i don't really know) you still have 3♦ to force. But i still think no other bid come close. If partner bring you a stiff heart and 5 clubs (wich is quite likely by the way) 3♣ will play much better then 3♥ and with any Qx partner can correct and with any max partner can bid game. I would prefer to play 2nt then 3♣ but i want to make a foward move so 3♣ look natural and safe.
PS i thought at first that the hearts were AT9xxx and i didnt want to repeat them. But ATxxxx --- ugly
Of course when you play with a student the game (esp MP) its a different game, they never raise you with Qx or with a stiff K and they repeat all kind of crappy suit because they don't understand delayed raise. So if you know your parnter wont correct to 3♥ with 2♥ and 4♣ or wont bid 3♥ with Qx then both 3♥ and pass are reasonnable Mp gamble.
PS i thought at first that the hearts were AT9xxx and i didnt want to repeat them. But ATxxxx --- ugly
Of course when you play with a student the game (esp MP) its a different game, they never raise you with Qx or with a stiff K and they repeat all kind of crappy suit because they don't understand delayed raise. So if you know your parnter wont correct to 3♥ with 2♥ and 4♣ or wont bid 3♥ with Qx then both 3♥ and pass are reasonnable Mp gamble.
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Posted 2007-August-15, 15:16
Jlall, on Aug 15 2007, 09:13 AM, said:
I bid 3H, and partner passed. It made 4.
Partner had AKxx Q9 xxx Axxx
Partner had AKxx Q9 xxx Axxx
Huh - did he really pass??
That would be an automatic raise to 4♥ for me.
As for your rebid, I'd never consider 3♣. It's close between 3♥ and 4♥ - I'd probably rebid 3♥ at the table.
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