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#21 User is offline   jdonn 

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Posted 2007-August-16, 01:23

ulven, on Aug 16 2007, 01:26 AM, said:

Well, we disagree, but what else is new ;-)

No kidding B)

I don't understand. Doesn't everything you said about if the opponents bid 4♥ apply if we double 3♦ equally as well as if we bid 3♥? Except that partner will be more accurate since the double is descriptive but the 3♥ bid is vague?
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Posted 2007-August-16, 01:29

jdonn, on Aug 16 2007, 02:23 AM, said:

I don't understand. Doesn't everything you said about if the opponents bid 4♥ apply if we double 3♦ equally as well as if we bid 3♥? Except that partner will be more accurate since the double is descriptive but the 3♥ bid is vague?

Maybe there's no difference for you, but for me X of 3D doesn't invite 4S per se. It encourages a 3S-bid but doesn't set up a force, meaning that we can sell out to 3H undoubled.
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Posted 2007-August-16, 02:11

ulven, on Aug 16 2007, 02:29 AM, said:

jdonn, on Aug 16 2007, 02:23 AM, said:

I don't understand. Doesn't everything you said about if the opponents bid 4♥ apply if we double 3♦ equally as well as if we bid 3♥? Except that partner will be more accurate since the double is descriptive but the 3♥ bid is vague?

Maybe there's no difference for you, but for me X of 3D doesn't invite 4S per se. It encourages a 3S-bid but doesn't set up a force, meaning that we can sell out to 3H undoubled.

Ok it seems to me like I would never double 3♦ without at least a game invitation. We will just say everyone's judgment is stupendous and it's simply a mild disagreement about the meaning of a bid that probably has never come up for either of us :)
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Posted 2007-August-16, 03:45

I agree with Ulf here. We have only 2 controls and need an average of 4-5 from partner to make the game, when partner has usually 3-4.
About double and 3♥, i play x as an invitational bal/semibal hand, and 3♥ shows shortage.
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Posted 2007-August-16, 03:58

I would bash 4♠, the problem with 3♥ on this auction as a genuine invite is that you have now given them an extra chance to convey information. They can now double 3♥ to show whatever their agreements are, perhaps it means LHO has good hearts, who knows? So by bidding 3♥ you may give them the chance to know whether or not they should be doubling you later. May as well just go for it now.

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Posted 2007-August-16, 11:09

jdonn, on Aug 16 2007, 02:11 AM, said:

ulven, on Aug 16 2007, 02:29 AM, said:

jdonn, on Aug 16 2007, 02:23 AM, said:

I don't understand. Doesn't everything you said about if the opponents bid 4♥ apply if we double 3♦ equally as well as if we bid 3♥? Except that partner will be more accurate since the double is descriptive but the 3♥ bid is vague?

Maybe there's no difference for you, but for me X of 3D doesn't invite 4S per se. It encourages a 3S-bid but doesn't set up a force, meaning that we can sell out to 3H undoubled.

Ok it seems to me like I would never double 3♦ without at least a game invitation. We will just say everyone's judgment is stupendous and it's simply a mild disagreement about the meaning of a bid that probably has never come up for either of us :angry:

I admit my guess would have been "X shows cards, maybe interest in defending". So a 3rd option here. :lol:
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  Posted 2007-August-16, 13:29

I bid game at IMPs; at MPs I make an invite - it's almost excusable at IMPs but at MPs the field may be giving up at +140.
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