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bigger flaw? lie about stopper or lie about shape or?

#1 User is offline   matmat 

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Posted 2007-August-01, 17:44

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your RHO opens 1♣. what is your choice of calls?
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Posted 2007-August-01, 18:04

Matt:

Thou Shalt Not Lie - it's a sin.

I would double, not bid 1NT to show the hcps. If partner bids diamonds, I can live with it. The hand has 4-4 in the majors and prime cards that are well placed. IMO, a 1NT overcall rates to make it harder to find a 4-4 major fit as well as implying at least one club stopper.

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Posted 2007-August-01, 18:15

double wtp? :)
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Posted 2007-August-01, 18:23

prefer double by some distance both because of the added likelihood of a major suit contract when I hold both 4M (and at the relevant level it is going to be right more often than NT) and because after I double if they pre-empt in C, my partner will only introduce D with at least 5 (otherwise responsive double in my preferred style) - so I am protected to some degree.

Also, the lack of a stopper when combined with bottom of range (albeit good intermediates) militates against NT.

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Posted 2007-August-01, 18:53

This looks like a very obvious X. You are 4-4 in the majors, have a hand that is not really good enough to overcall 1N, and have no stopper.
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Posted 2007-August-01, 19:16

Are there no pass cards in the bidding box?

It should at least get consideration, shouldn't it?
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Posted 2007-August-01, 19:40

Actually, pass gets no consideration on these cards.

But I would not be so quick to dismiss 1NT.

In real life, I would double, but I would be prepared to apologize when we arrive in 3D on a 4-2 fit.
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Posted 2007-August-01, 20:00

Double is absolutely fine, the risk if any is negligible. Any other choice is seriously flawed.

I do not consider it possible for us to get to a 4-2 diamond fit on the 3 level, nor would I apologize for making a completely normal bid.
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Posted 2007-August-01, 22:08

TimG, on Aug 2 2007, 01:16 AM, said:

Are there no pass cards in the bidding box?

It should at least get consideration, shouldn't it?

Of course not. If you have a chance to bid, you seize it.
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Posted 2007-August-01, 23:08

dbl wtp.

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As a psychologists you should know better :P
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Posted 2007-August-02, 00:26

1NT .A stopper is only as sure as it sounds.
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Posted 2007-August-02, 00:29

Double !, on Aug 1 2007, 07:04 PM, said:

Matt:

Thou Shalt Not Lie - it's a sin

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Posted 2007-August-02, 02:27

Double.

Second choice pass.

I hate 1NT.
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Posted 2007-August-02, 07:03

matmat: it is usually better to lie about stoppers than shape. Thus dbl is probably better than anything else.
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Posted 2007-August-02, 07:13

whereagles, on Aug 2 2007, 08:03 AM, said:

matmat: it is usually better to lie about stoppers than shape. Thus dbl is probably better than anything else.

Huh?

Double lies about your shape. 1N lies about your stopper.

So why do you say "it is usually better to lie about stoppers than shape." and then recommend double?
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
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Posted 2007-August-02, 10:13

Dbl doesn't lie about the shape. In fact, it is more descriptive about it than 1NT, which is why it is my preferred bid.
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Posted 2007-August-02, 10:19

whereagles, on Aug 2 2007, 11:13 AM, said:

Dbl doesn't lie about the shape. In fact, it is more descriptive about it than 1NT, which is why it is my preferred bid.

Sure it does -- a takeout double shows at least 3-card support for all the unbid suits, not just the majors.

It may be a small lie, but it is a lie none-the-less.
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Posted 2007-August-02, 13:02

That's in your definition of take-out dbl. Mine is "emphasis on majors" ;)
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Posted 2007-August-02, 14:12

Great hand for a power double (sorry - shameless plug ;))

Playing standard methods, i suppose I'd overcall 1N but I don't like it one little bit. The slow diamond suit means we'll need 2nd spade stop to make 3N, and 1N is so wrong positionally.

2D may or may not get us to 3N from pard's side, and I would be very understanding if my pard made this well thought out call :P

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Posted 2007-August-02, 14:24

Looks like a totally normal double.
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