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A HAND FROM NASHVILLE BIDDING AFTER A PRE-EMPT by RHO

Poll: What bid would you make? (39 member(s) have cast votes)

What bid would you make?

  1. 1. PASS (1 votes [2.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.56%

  2. 2. DOUBLE (7 votes [17.95%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.95%

  3. 3. 3 Spades (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 4. 3NT (17 votes [43.59%])

    Percentage of vote: 43.59%

  5. 5. 4 Clubs (14 votes [35.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.90%

  6. 6. 5 Clubs (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. 7. Other, please specify (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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Posted 2007-July-30, 10:22

This hand came along during a 2-session imp pairs game in Nashville.

You are in fourth seat holding: ♠AJT, ♥ Q4, ♦ K3, ♣ KQJ987.
You are Vulnerable. The opps are not.

After two passes, your rho bids 3♥, nv. Red vs. white, your bid!

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Posted 2007-July-30, 10:24

4C, by process of elimiation.

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  Posted 2007-July-30, 10:31

I bid 4C and do not try for 3NT here, with reservations....
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Posted 2007-July-30, 11:07

3N. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

It works a lot more than it should however. I'd much rather have the hearts on my left by the way.
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Posted 2007-July-30, 11:40

I never do this but ok, 3NT. Does it make me look good if I say I bid it confidently?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-July-30, 12:46

3NT. Bid what you think you can make.

At these colors, LHO never has AKJxxxx and, even if he does, he may not lead them.

Of course, you could still get a heart lead when the top heart honors are split, but there is still a chance that the hearts are blocked or that partner has a stop (Txx may do).
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Posted 2007-July-30, 12:56

ArtK78, on Jul 30 2007, 01:46 PM, said:

At these colors, LHO never has AKJxxxx and, even if he does, he may not lead them.

And if he does, I would forbid his partner to lead hearts.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-July-30, 15:27

4♣. 3NT requires pard to have the club ace and some help in hearts. One prayer is enough for me, thankyouverymuch :P
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Posted 2007-July-30, 15:44

I might try 3NT at the table but I'm really unsure... 4♣ seems nicer. Give me different 2 points than ♥Q and we could start talking about 5♣.
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Posted 2007-July-30, 15:49

What's wrong with double? Works bad if p has exactly four spades. Otherwise it works fine. Seems less flawed than the other options. And if I double very sloooowwwwlllyyyy p will know to bid 3N with his 4-card spades and single ♥ guard :P
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Posted 2007-July-30, 16:06

Sorry - misread the problem. It is RHO who opened 3H and you are in direct seat.

I suspect that 3NT is the right contract, but not from my side of the table. So 3NT is out.

YUCK!

Double is out, not so much because I have only 3 spades, but because I have only 2 diamonds.

I bid 4C and hope that we can land on our feet.
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Posted 2007-July-30, 16:08

3N

If preemptor has AKJxxxx, there will be no outside entry. So, there will still be a high chance of scoring your Q♥ as there may be a duck to preserve communication with partner.

Double doesn't work very well if partner is 3-3-4-3.
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Posted 2007-July-30, 16:55

What a nightmare.

I hate the do-nothing bid of 4♣. Where are we going, opposite a passed hand? There is virtually no way to reach a making game after this... maybe with KQxxx xx Axx xxx he can bid 4♠ along the way, but that is a tiny target. Our hand is so soft that it is very, very tough to picture a hand opposite which we make 5♣, unless he has a stiff ♥ and a maximum pass.

I hate pass: there is no realistic hope of partner balancing, especially when he has the cards to make 3N a legitimate contract.

I hate double: I can stomach the short ♠s, but not both the short ♠s and the very short ♦s... and my ♥ holding reduces the chances of his bidding 3N over my double.

I hate 3N. Not only do I need to score a ♥ trick (which I may do even when we have no stopper) but I need the ♣A just to get to 8 tricks!

So I need not only help in ♥s (from partner or the opps) and the ♣A but also the ♦A or the ♠K... or a blockage of some nature in the ♥ suit.

And to make things worse, even if LHO refuses to lead a ♥, because he's seen his partner's 3rd seat favourable preempts before...they may beat me by leading diamonds!


Finally, on most hands where we don't catch the ♣A in dummy, we're going down a LOT... we could easily be down 4 or 5, altho we ain't going to be playing 3N doubled :P

Okay, I'm a lot braver on a forum than I am in real life.. I bid 3N, with supreme confidence. :)
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Posted 2007-July-30, 17:07

I think 3NT is obvio. And that 4♣ is not even worth considering.
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Posted 2007-July-30, 17:08

mikeh, on Jul 30 2007, 05:55 PM, said:

I bid 3N, with supreme confidence. :P

Well done!
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-July-30, 17:11

All Mike needed in addition to that post is the "Rocky" theme music to round it out. :P
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Posted 2007-July-31, 14:12

There are many votes for 3NT, and many votes for 4♣. Right or wrong, I decided to double. I got lucky: don't know what I would have done had partner responded 4♦. (Pass, I guess. There's always next hand.)

THIS WAS THE FULL HAND.

East: ♠832, ♥96, ♦AJ654, ♣ A64
South: ♠ KQ964, ♥ KT7, ♦ 987, ♣ T5
West: ♠ 75, ♥ AJ8532, ♦ QT2, ♣ 32
North: ♠ AJT, ♥ Q4, ♦ K3, ♣ KQJ987

As you can see, 3NT would not have been a big success. What does one hand prove? NOTHING But I thought that this hand was very interesting.

Thanks to all who looked at the hand and/or responded.

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