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Defense decision at trick one

Poll: What would you do? (12 member(s) have cast votes)

What would you do?

  1. Take ace, play diamond (11 votes [91.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 91.67%

  2. Take ace, play club (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Duck ace (1 votes [8.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.33%

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#1 User is offline   cherdano 

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Posted 2007-July-28, 16:03

Scoring: IMP

1♣*-1♦-X**-1♠
1N***-2♦-2N-P
3♥-P-4♥-AP

1C could be short, X showed hearts, 1N 17-19 balanced, so declarer has shown a maximum for 17-19 balanced with 3 card heart support (and no 5 spades). 2D by partner would have been artificial (Michaels), I believe.

Lead ♠7, declarer puts up the king after a normal trick one-thought.
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Posted 2007-July-28, 16:11

Win and play a diamond is normal so it must be wrong
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Posted 2007-July-28, 17:09

I cannot imagine that it could be wrong to win trick one and play a diamond.
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Posted 2007-July-28, 17:31

Can it be wrong to duck? Can it help?
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Posted 2007-July-28, 20:53

Pard didnt lead ♦. I wonder if he has a holding like AQ....
Since declarer has 17-19, pard must have a few HCP outside of ♦.
Lest assume they are the ♣ Q J.

If you take the ace, and give pard his 2 ♦ tricks, and declarer plays you for 4 hearts while holding AQx in hand he can make, by discarding 2 ♣ on the QJ o f♠ (he holds Q J x x as indicated from the NT bid). The ♠ king is needed as an entry to finesse hearts.

If you duck, the spade K can't be used as an entry to finesse ♥
And if trumps aren't pulled you can play a third round of ♠ killing a discard.

I don't see how the 2♦ can be discarded. So it seems that ducking is safe.


Of course at the table I win the ace and lead back a ♦. :lol:
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Posted 2007-July-30, 08:12

ArcLight, on Jul 28 2007, 09:53 PM, said:

Pard didnt lead ♦.  I wonder if he has a holding like AQ....

If you take the ace, and give pard his 2 ♦ tricks, and declarer plays you for 4 hearts while holding AQx in hand he can make,

If this is the case, surely partner will continue with a 3rd diamond preventing declarer from bringing in the trump suit....
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Posted 2007-July-30, 08:44

I know the hand.

By the way, this was one of the Clash sequences we has against Hamway. Brian overcalled 3♦ showing diamonds or hearts and they played the inferior 3N.
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Posted 2007-July-30, 09:00

Jlall, on Jul 28 2007, 11:11 PM, said:

Win and play a diamond is normal so it must be wrong

Quite.
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Posted 2007-July-30, 10:27

♠A, ♦T, wtp? P didn't bid 2♣, so he must have good ♦s.
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Posted 2007-July-30, 10:45


Of course ♠A and diamond seems normal, but (barring an inspired heart guess by declarer) I don't think it is ever necessary - and on the actual hand, the hand is over if you do that, whereas declarer might give partner a chance to signal for clubs if he starts pulling trumps after your duck.

(I was declarer and hadn't decided yet what to do at trick 2, but a spade continuation would look silly if trumps are 3-2 and RHO continues with a third spade.)
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  Posted 2007-July-30, 11:04

I voted for ducking, because I'm not sure a diamond return is what is going to get this defense started and they have a foul split in trumps potentially coming.

If anything, I'm inclined to win and switch to a club before winning and playing a diamond through due to my trump holding, but I might change my mind.
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