[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

I think 2H and 3D are fine, but North
should bid 3S instead of 4S,
2H followed by 3S tells his story.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

Jlall, on Jul 21 2007, 01:07 AM, said:

I hate 3D opp a passed hand, I'm shocked by how much sympathy it's getting. Maybe people forgot partner was a passed hand. It's just asking for too much to have a game here.
<snip>

Yes, as I wrote my comment, I did realize,
that North was a passed hand.
But I think 3D is fine, if partner was not
a passed hand.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[FrancesHinden]

I agree with mike and justin (no surprise there) that 2H is normal, and 3D is an overbid.

I don't like 3D even if partner is not a passed hand. 3D is natural (natural-ish, anyway) and invites partner to bid game holding a hand that would pass 2S. If partner was going to pass 2S, what game can be making?

[helene_t]

If 2♥ promises a fit you clearly have to rebid 2♠ to show a non-constructive hand opposite a passed hand. Even if p were not a passed hand you should bid 2♠ unless you have an very frivolous overcall style so that this hand contains significant extras,

If 2♥ is a generic strong bid 3♦ is more reasonable but still 2♠ is better, assuming a middle-of-the-road overcall style. But a passed hand cannot make a generic force.

North's bidding is fine, I don't think heś pushing at all.

[Free]

3♦ is really awful imo! Partner is a passed hand, we do not have the strength, and South doesn't have a good distribution, to try for game. Bid 2♠, if p has some distribution he might try again...

[pbleighton]

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3D was an overbid opposite a passed hand. Aces... where are the Aces I will need for game?

So I would have bid 2♠....yes, it is a maximum for 2♠, but when we start upgrading ALL maximums, they are no longer maximums, they are minimums for the stronger bid.. and this is still just a maximum 2♠.

Agree. I think 3D would be a overbid opposite an unpassed hand, as well. This is a problem you face when you overcall at the one level with real crap (as I do all the time). Your *minimum* range becomes wide. Wayne, I'm thinking your thought process may have gone something like "I would have overcalled with a king less than what I have, I can't just bid 2S".

Oh, yes you can

Just because you overcall on real crap (good and common practice, IMO), doesn't make the present hand any better.

Peter

[kgr]

How should the bidding go with East as dealer (North not a passed hand)?
3♦ by South and 3♠ iso 4♠ by North and this is passed by South?

[mike777]

Yes, even if North is an unpassed hand, this is still a 2 spade rebid. 3D shows more than a mimimum opening hand, even if we just overcalled. North can always bid again over our 2s sign off is she wishes. Our first duty is to tell partner our overcall is less than some nice 13 totalpt hand in spades.

Once we limit our hand, we can go nuts if the bidding continues.

[skjaeran]

kgr, on Jul 21 2007, 12:54 PM, said:

How should the bidding go with East as dealer (North not a passed hand)?
3♦ by South and 3♠ iso 4♠ by North and this is passed by South?

No, the south hand is still not worth more than 2♠.