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Defensive problem

Poll: Which suit do you return? (19 member(s) have cast votes)

Which suit do you return?

  1. Spade (10 votes [52.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 52.63%

  2. Heart (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Diamond (7 votes [36.84%])

    Percentage of vote: 36.84%

  4. Club (2 votes [10.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.53%

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#1 User is offline   paulg 

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Posted 2007-July-13, 15:48

Scoring: IMP

2♦ - (2♥) - Pass - (4♥)
All pass


You open a weak 2♦, admittedly not everyone's choice, and the opposition bid quickly to the heart game.

Partner leads the ♦4, declarer plays small from dummy, you play the ♦A and declarer follows with the ♦Q.

What do you lead now?

(Edit: you lead lowest from xxx in suits you have not raised)

This post has been edited by cardsharp: 2007-July-14, 13:27

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Posted 2007-July-13, 18:10

This hand happens to me all the time with a concrete partner, and all the time she didn't want to raise me.
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Posted 2007-July-14, 02:08

I return the spade, hoping for a ruff there. If partner had the stiff diamond, then hopefully he or she will play a high spade back for me to ruff. Otherwise I know that declarer's queen was a true card.

If a diamond back is my only chance to beat the contract, then too bad.

FWIW I wouldn't raise with 3 low unless I expected to make the contract
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Posted 2007-July-14, 06:33

Hi,

leading style?

Assuming the Q is doubleton or single,
that gives partner either 3 or 2.
Because the 4 of diamonds is the smalles
card, you will know, if diamond shorage is
possible with partner.

But I think I play a spade, because a
diamond ruff is not enough to beat the contract.

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Posted 2007-July-14, 08:39

I am not at all sure partner holds just 1 diamond. What I like to try and do in these positions if make up possible hands the player might o/c rather than dble for t/o. If declarer lacks the A of trumps he likely has 6 trumps and I will know what to play back when partner gives me the S ruff. It is possible that partner has the A of S and will be able to let me ruff showing me what suit to return.
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Posted 2007-July-14, 09:02

I can easily see at least 10 tricks for declarer with 5(6) hearts, 2 diamonds, and 3 spades, so it looks like it's time to get busy and build our club tricks before they can disappear.

Playing for ruffs doesn't produce enough defensive tricks if declarer holds 6 hearts and something like Kxx, AQxxxx, Q, Axx.
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Posted 2007-July-14, 16:48

♠

♠ works if pd has 2 aces, or ♥A + ♠K, or ♥A + sing ♦.

♦ requires singleton ♦ plus ♠A or ♥A.

Hence by this rough accounting the ♠ has 5 chances and the ♦ only 2. Moreover, it never seems to be partner that has the singleton -- declarer after all has shown length in another suit.

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Posted 2007-July-15, 02:35

Scoring: IMP

2♦ - (2♥) - Pass - (4♥)
Lead: ♦4

A minor suit return was needed to beat the contract.

Was declarer being clever with his diamond play? I think the normal play is the ♦J at trick one to convince RHO that his partner has the ♦Q. Of course with ♦Qxx then he may have raised, so perhaps declarer has found the better play.
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Posted 2007-July-15, 12:52

Paul - give declarer the Ks and the Ac and the club return doesnt work so hot. A diamond works in either case however, but to get it the max you need to get pard to continue As, s. Signaling for a spade could be costly if pard underleads.

In that case, pard would probably force out the club A with his (presumed) KQ and take likely set.

This hand is a good illustration why it helps for pard to make a courtesy raise with any hand with 3.

Agree with Paul that declarer made the proper play with Qxx in hand by dropping the Q.
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