[jtfanclub]

1. 1NT-2♦*-2♥-3♣
2. 1NT-2♣*-2♥-3♣
3. 1NT-2♠*-3♣-3♥

1*: Transfer to hearts.
2*: Stayman (not GF)
3*: Transfer to clubs, club bid denies a max with club fillers.

If you don't use our version of the * bid, PLEASE don't answer the question for that #.
I am not looking for alternate methods, I'm looking at defining continuations for our methods.

We play a 12-15 NT, but I assume I'd use the same continuations as a 15-17 NT would.

[helene_t]

1. Std is GF 2-suiter. That's what we play. Dutch 1st divsion player Dennis Ottervanger (he was my tutor at the bridge teacher education) plays it as ostensibly some game try with 6 hearts. Don't know how widespread that is. Makes sense.

2. We learn it is invitational with four spades an longer clubs. This is what we play. Later some switch to MSA. In North America it seems to be a natural GF.

3. We play it as natural. If you play 2. as natural GF, that is not necesary. I think standard is a natural notrump probe, then. Wietske van Zwol (sp?) argued in an article in the Dutch BF magazine couple of years ago that it should show shortness.

[vang]

1. GF, 5 hearts 4(+) clubs. some play it as GI (and then opener 3H is weakest reply)
2. GF, 5 clubs and 4 spades
3. GF (slam inv) clubs and singleton heart. promoted by Polish school.

[FrancesHinden]

1. normal is natural and FG. I happen to play it as FG in diamonds in one partnership, but that's just us being weird.

2. In all my partnerhips it is a game forcing relay, though the exact meaning differs between partnerships. I used to play it as invitational, 4 cards in the other major and longer clubs.

3. I'm a simple soul. Natural, forcing, longer clubs than hearts. I know that it's common to play 1NT - 2C - 2H - 3C as forcing with potentially 5 clubs and a 4-card major, but I've always preferred to bid my suits in their logical order. So with 5+ clubs and 4+ hearts, longer clubs than hearts, I transfer to clubs and bid hearts.

(I also have a method in one partnership to show specifically 5431s with 45 in the minors)

[SoTired]

Jlall, on Jul 12 2007, 10:43 AM, said:

1 and 2 are nat GF

3 is shortness

agree
Notes:
#3: Although some may play 3H as q-bid, shortness makes more sense. It is NOT 5♣, 4♥ because would bid stayman first. Minor transfer denies 4-card-major.

#2: Cannot be extended Garbage Stayman, because would bid 2S with 5♣,4♠ and weak hand because opener may have both majors.

[Fluffy]

1 is GF, specifcally 2524 or a strong 65.

2 is GF, 5+♣ GF, normally with 4♠.

3 is GF, 6+♣, ♥ shortness, something close to 3136.

[Cascade]

My responses are not standard but here they are anyway:

1. We play this as showing club shortage

2. We play this as an artificial slam try asking for controls.

3. We don't play transfers to a minor.

[bhall]

We play #3 as showing high card(s) in the suit; we jump to show shortness. The other sequences we play as Fluffy indicated.

[skjaeran]

1. Natural GF, 5♥'s and 4♣'s.
2. Natural GF, 5+♣'x and 4♠'s.
3. Shortness (normally singelton), slammish with ♣'s. Normally 3136 or x1x7, could be 2146 or 3046.

[hrothgar]

jtfanclub, on Jul 12 2007, 04:53 PM, said:

1. 1NT-2♦*-2♥-3♣
2. 1NT-2♣*-2♥-3♣
3. 1NT-2♠*-3♣-3♥

1*: Transfer to hearts.
2*: Stayman (not GF)
3*: Transfer to clubs, club bid denies a max with club fillers.

If you don't use our version of the * bid, PLEASE don't answer the question for that #.
I am not looking for alternate methods, I'm looking at defining continuations for our methods.

We play a 12-15 NT, but I assume I'd use the same continuations as a 15-17 NT would.

1. 1NT-2♦*-2♥-3♣

3♣ shows a 5+ card heart suit and precisely 4 cards in either minor

2. 1NT-2♣*-2♥-3♣

3♣ is a transfer to Diamonds

[Trinidad]

With my favorite partner, we play:

1. 1NT-2♦*-2♥-3♣
GF, 5(+) hearts and a 4 card minor (I notice Hrothgar plays the same)

2. 1NT-2♣*-2♥-3♣
GF, asking for side suit (3♦: no side suit, i.e. 5 hearts or 3433) 3♥: clubs; 3♠: diamonds; 3NT: spades)

3. 1NT-2♠*-3♣-3♥
Slem invitation, control (but I think shortness is better)

1*: Transfer to hearts.
2*: Stayman (not GF)
3*: Transfer to clubs, club bid denies a max with club fillers.

Rik

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

#1 forcing 5-4, should also show an unbal. hand,
i.e. the bid should deny 5-4-2-2
#2 I would say 6 clubs, 4 spades, game forcing
#3 heart values, it may or may not a move toward
slam, but if opener can cooperate, e.g. via a spade
cue, he should do so

With kind regards
Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

SoTired, on Jul 12 2007, 11:21 AM, said:

Jlall, on Jul 12 2007, 10:43 AM, said:

1 and 2 are nat GF

3 is shortness

agree
Notes:
#3: Although some may play 3H as q-bid, shortness makes more sense. It is NOT 5♣, 4♥ because would bid stayman first. Minor transfer denies 4-card-major.
<snip>

Hi,

I doubt that there is a hugh difference between
values and shortness, but I agree, it should show
either values or shortness.
Since we usually show values with our first cue bid,
we show values in the given sequence.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[chicken]

1.) GF followed by Danish answers (exchanged fitbids)
2.) Signoff with 4-5/6 weak
3.) other treatment

[jtfanclub]

Amusingly enough, we had an extra freaky auction a few days ago....

1NT-2♣-2♥-3♣-3NT-4♥-6♥!

I don't know what it was supposed to mean, but, playing across a 12-15 NT, I had something like Jxx AKxx x AKxxx. I still don't know how to bid it right, but partner was somehow on the same wavelength.

This was not the same tournament that had this auction:

P-1♠-P-1NT*
P-2♣-P-3NT
P-4♠-P-6♠
X**-P-P-P

*Forcing. Well, what would you have said with a 3-3-4-3 18 count?
**Opponents must have had a misunderstanding.

So maybe I'm better off without agreements, except whether a bid is forcing or not.

[lowerline]

jtfanclub, on Jul 12 2007, 08:53 AM, said:

1. 1NT-2♦*-2♥-3♣
2. 1NT-2♣*-2♥-3♣
3. 1NT-2♠*-3♣-3♥

1*: Transfer to hearts.
2*: Stayman (not GF)
3*: Transfer to clubs, club bid denies a max with club fillers.

If you don't use our version of the * bid, PLEASE don't answer the question for that #.
I am not looking for alternate methods, I'm looking at defining continuations for our methods.

We play a 12-15 NT, but I assume I'd use the same continuations as a 15-17 NT would.

1. Transfer ♦, GF
2. Natural GF (so 4♠5+♣)
3. Cue, SI

Steven

[blackshoe]

Quote

Amusingly enough, we had an extra freaky auction a few days ago....

1NT-2♣-2♥-3♣-3NT-4♥-6♥!

I don't know what it was supposed to mean, but, playing across a 12-15 NT, I had something like Jxx AKxx x AKxxx. I still don't know how to bid it right, but partner was somehow on the same wavelength.

Ordinarily, I would expect 3♣ to deny a heart fit, but if I were your partner, I would have twigged when you bid 4♥ - strong hand, 4 hearts and 5 clubs, slam invite. With a max 1NT and fitting cards, I'd go for it.

[Free]

Jlall, on Jul 12 2007, 04:43 PM, said:

1 and 2 are nat GF

3 is shortness

What he said...

[keylime]

1. Standard: 5 hearts, 4+ clubs, G/F. Keri: 5-5, G/F
2. Standard: 5 clubs, 4 spades, G/F.
3. Standard: Probably heart shortness, values for game. (how I play it anyway).