[jillybean]

Dealer: South Vul: EW Scoring: IMP

♠ AJ97 ♥ 5 ♦ J43 ♣ AKQ95

West North East South

 -     -     -     1♣
 Pass  3♥    4♦    ?
 


Playing with pickup partner. The only agreement is sayc, rkc so I'm guessing 3♥
is weak, it can't be a splinter unless opps are playing concealed transfer overcalls.

What should I do?

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

3H is a splinter, but the nice thing is, if you pass,
you will learn, what partner did mean.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[neilkaz]

3♥ sounds preemptive to me on this auction as it hardly could be a splinter. I have a nice hand, but will just pass. Maybe 4♦x is off 1,but the risk of Xing them into game is too great so doubling is out of the question.

Perhaps pickup PD meant 3♥ as strong and forcing. If so..I have no support for him, and if he decides to carry on to 4♥ I do have tricks for him.

PASS .. neilkaz ..

[foo]

jillybean2, on Jun 18 2007, 04:14 PM, said:

South,EW,IMP,
♠AJ97♥5♦J43♣AKQ95

1♣-pa-3♥-(4♦);??

Playing with pickup partner. The only agreement is sayc, rkc so I'm guessing 3♥ is weak, it can't be a splinter unless opps are playing concealed transfer overcalls. 

What should I do?

1♣-pa-1♥would have been forcing.

1♣-pa-3♥ is a double jump shift.
The opponents had not yet bid when Responder made the 2x jump shift.

This should be a Splinter agreeing ♣'s as trump.

With a nice powerful 6 loser hand w/o any wasted values in the Red's, you should look for a ♣ slam. Even 7♣ is not out of the question.

(KQxx.x.AKxx.xxxx or Kxxx.x.AKQx.xxxx for instance)

Cue bid 4♠.

My suspicion is that ♥'s have broken 5:5. ♣'s are 4:0, and that RHO has 5 ♥'s and 6-7 ♦'s.

[goobers]

This is a splinter if you've agreed splinters...

I get the feeling 3H is natural. I'm done here.

[inquiry]

Undiscussed. 3♥ is preemptive, simple as that. You CAN play it as a splinter, but if you do, you sure as heck better have discussed it long in advanced. Pass 4♦.

[foo]

One nice thing about passing (4♦). If you don't know what 3♥ was, you are "off the hook" and can let pd clarify whether 3♥ was weak or a splinter.

Only downside to passing is that you might miss a slam. But if you belong in ♣'s and pd has made a splinter, pd should bid over (4♦).

[cherdano]

inquiry, on Jun 18 2007, 05:03 PM, said:

Undiscussed. 3♥ is preemptive, simple as that. You CAN play it as a splinter, but if you do, you sure as heck better have discussed it long in advanced.

Undiscussed, 3♥ is splinter, it is as simple as that. You CAN play it as preemptive, but if you do, you sure as heck better have diiscussed it long in advance.

Seriously, I don't know which treatment is more common, but BWS plays it as splinter...
(In THIS auction 3♥ was obviously preemptive.)

[whereagles]

cherdano, on Jun 18 2007, 11:46 PM, said:

Undiscussed, 3♥ is splinter, it is as simple as that.

Incorrect.

By default, undiscussed bids are NATURAL

[P_Marlowe]

Jlall, on Jun 18 2007, 06:28 PM, said:

lol@ even thinking 3H might have been a splinter... look at the auction... and look at your hand...

Hi Justin,

... we both agree, that most likely it is preemptive,
but if I played with my regular partner, I would know,
that this is a splinter, and I would trust him, even if I
may kill him later on, ... but I am pretty certain I will
remeber situations when I messed up, so he will
survive, barely.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[jillybean]

Scoring: IMP

---

West North East South

 -     -     -     1♣
 Pass  3♥    4♦    Dbl
 Pass  4♥    Dbl   Pass
 Pass  Pass  


I doubled for penalty and my partner pulled it to 4♥. With my A's and K's and ruffing potential in ♥'s I thought this was a reasonable double.

[P_Marlowe]

jillybean2, on Jun 19 2007, 09:56 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

---

West North East South

 -     -     -     1♣
 Pass  3♥    4♦    Dbl
 Pass  4♥    Dbl   Pass
 Pass  Pass  


I doubled for penalty and my partner pulled it to 4♥. With my A's and K's and ruffing potential in ♥'s I thought this was a reasonable double.

Hi,

the double was maybe reasonable, but partner
was not sure, if you did understand 3H, he did
create the muddy auction in the first place, but
you know as it is.
And since he feared, you would take him more
seriously he pulled, ... sometimes it is good to
go quitely, trying to get the best, which is currently
is currently possible.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[helene_t]

Your double was not unreasonable. I would have passed, though. You never know if they bid 5 if you leave them alone. Besides, you need good arguments for doubling a partscore at IMPs.

Partner should have passed your double, of course. Presumably he didn't know that the double was penalties. I wonder if it would be reasonable not to double for fear that partner does not understand that it's penalties. I tend to think no. It's silly if partner asks you why you didn't double and you have to admit that you weren't sure if he would understand it. In boarderline cases it could be a consideration, though.

FWIW, I don't like 3♥ as a splinter here. Play it as natural. Either weak, invitational or fitshowing.

[Fluffy]

The double is speculative at best, at elast the way I play 3♥ wich shows the hand your partner had.

EDIT: On the other hand bidding your hand twice had no sense as always.

[Gerben42]

Doubling 2♥ through 4♦ at IMPs needs a good reason. So Pass.

[Apollo81]

I'd probably have passed over 4♦ regardless of whether 3♥ was weak or strong.

[jillybean]

Fluffy, on Jun 19 2007, 09:07 AM, said:

Bidding your hand twice had no sense as always.

I will have this tattooed on my forehead and maybe Fred could make to pass button bigger.

[cherdano]

jillybean2, on Jun 19 2007, 11:09 AM, said:

Fluffy, on Jun 19 2007, 09:07 AM, said:

Bidding your hand twice had no sense as always.

I will have this tattooed on my forehead and maybe Fred could make to pass button bigger.

I think Fluffy's remark was about the 4♥ bid, which is completely 1000% absolutely absurdely wrong.