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Qxxxx-void-xx-Qxxxxx part 2

#1 User is offline   kgr 

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Posted 2007-June-20, 15:27

MP's
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Qxxxx-void-xx-Qxxxxx
MP's, no one vul, East opens 1 acol (4+) and bidding conitnues:
(1)-P-(2)-P
(P)-??
You didn't bid Michaels cue because you thought that partner would think you would be stronger.
Do you balance now? Pass, 2, 3, DBL...?

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Posted 2007-June-20, 15:33

Double is way too likely to be left in (and partner will probably expect more defense), and passing seems like a way to lose the board.

So this leaves 2 and 3. It seems pretty likely that whichever you pick, LHO will bid 3 next. So I will bid 3 planning to try 3 over 3. This has the advantage of bidding my suits in natural order, and giving me the chance to get out at the three-level having shown both suits.
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Posted 2007-June-20, 15:36

I'll balance with 2
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Posted 2007-June-20, 15:50

kgr, on Jun 20 2007, 04:27 PM, said:

MP's
E/-
Qxxxx-void-xx-Qxxxxx
MP's, no one vul, East opens 1 acol (4+) and bidding conitnues:
(1)-P-(2)-P
(P)-??
You didn't bid Michaels cue because you thought that partner would think you would be stronger.
Do you balance now? Pass, 2, 3, DBL...?

Thanks,
Koen
PS: See part 1 for question about wea/strong michaels. Thanks!

Lead 5th best club. This is a lead problem yes?

Partner has an opening hand and did not bid yes?
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Posted 2007-June-20, 15:52

omg balance, this is not a question, I would try 2S (Mike Lawrence says that clubs are the dangerous suit!)

Edit: Meant to say that I think balancing is clear, not that it is clear what to balance with
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Posted 2007-June-20, 15:58

2 sounds ideal.
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Posted 2007-June-20, 18:32

2. Apparently I have a flaw in my hand since I didn't overcall initially. Pard can figure this out.

I'm still overcalling 2. After this start, I hope everyone realizes that 10 tricks in spades is possible.

There are two other possibilities. Double is strange and I cant recover from a 3 call. The other idea is 3 - which will get us to the right black suit, although we might be a level too high.

If I get x'd in 2, I probably should run to 3.

I hope sirens are going off in peoples minds that decided to pass this originally.
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Posted 2007-June-20, 18:48

2S
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Posted 2007-June-20, 18:53

I would have bid 2 the first time, admittedly. On these disaster mess hands, I like to bid 2 immediately if I'm plausibly right for it, "plausibly" being liberally defined.

Having been forced to pass the first time, I'll bid 2 now.

It probably would have been much more enjoyable for partner had I bid 2 the first time.
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Posted 2007-June-20, 19:04

I was happy to pass in Part 1 and now am equally content to bid 2 in this very strange auction (why is pard silent with almost half the deck?) It sounds like pard has a biggish hand with 5 lousy hearts (at least I hope they are lousy, otherwise I probably just turned a plus into a minus) and we should be able to make something in a black suit. If I get doubled in , I will probably run to next.
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Posted 2007-June-20, 19:33

kenrexford, on Jun 20 2007, 07:53 PM, said:

It probably would have been much more enjoyable for partner had I bid 2 the first time.

lol, yeah, you know pard is gonna SLAM the red card onto the table if they bid 3H :(
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Posted 2007-June-20, 21:48

3. I wouldn't pass after 3 (3) Dbl (Pass), so I might as well show my hand type now. Hope that partner hasn't six hearts.
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Posted 2007-June-21, 03:01

3 Club works better if they compete, 2 Spade when they double or pass. Pass is best when pd has a penalty double of 2 Heart in his hand. Not that unlikely too, isn´t it?

Okay, minority report: Pass and hope.
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Posted 2007-June-21, 03:10

Why is 3C better if they compete? Unless you plan on bidding 3S next which seems like a lot you are better placed having bid 2S if they are going to compete (since it's more likely we can effectively compete to 3S than 4C).
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Posted 2007-June-21, 04:45

2 of cours, bot gonna bid a minor :).

3 is good if you intend to pull partner's double.
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Posted 2007-June-21, 05:18

Hi,

yes I reopen.

2S.

Double is out, there is one thing I know, I dont
want to defend 2H, partner will never play me
for 6-5.

Passing is ok, if it is your agreement, but than
this means you loose one suit, and we will play
spades on the two level and clubs on the 3 level,
so it is the clubs suit I will loose, if they double
I will pass, if they compete to 3H, I will pass as
well (mission accomplished).
Bidding 3H now risks playing on the 4 level.

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Marlowe
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Posted 2007-June-21, 07:04

Jlall, on Jun 21 2007, 06:10 PM, said:

Why is 3C better if they compete? Unless you plan on bidding 3S next which seems like a lot you are better placed having bid 2S if they are going to compete (since it's more likely we can effectively compete to 3S than 4C).

Yes the idea is to bid 3 Spade afterwards if you wish to compete further :)

And whenever my pd will do this to me and I watch the auction from the other side of the table, I will believe that he is nuts. And maybe after a while I will start thinking that he has a two suiter which he could not bid at the first opportunity but which he can bid on his own to 3 Spade. So maybe he has something like: Qxxxx,-,xx,Qxxxxx? No, I will never find this at the table, so my pd better passes 2 Heart.
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Posted 2007-June-22, 04:37

If opps can be trusted, pard should have like 15-17 balanced with heart wastage. 2 or 3+3 seems ok.

If opps are of the random kind, I would PASS.
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Posted 2007-June-22, 11:41

Codo, on Jun 21 2007, 08:04 AM, said:

Jlall, on Jun 21 2007, 06:10 PM, said:

Why is 3C better if they compete? Unless you plan on bidding 3S next which seems like a lot you are better placed having bid 2S if they are going to compete (since it's more likely we can effectively compete to 3S than 4C).

Yes the idea is to bid 3 Spade afterwards if you wish to compete further :P

And whenever my pd will do this to me and I watch the auction from the other side of the table, I will believe that he is nuts. And maybe after a while I will start thinking that he has a two suiter which he could not bid at the first opportunity but which he can bid on his own to 3 Spade. So maybe he has something like: Qxxxx,-,xx,Qxxxxx? No, I will never find this at the table, so my pd better passes 2 Heart.
:)

I don't doubt that partner can deduce what your hand looks like but when hes looking at a bunch of points and a bunch of hearts and not a great fit he's not gonna be too happy lol.
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Posted 2007-June-22, 11:47

I think we deserve to be in this position of guessing whether partner is 3550 or 1561 for bidding this way.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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