[jillybean]

Dealer: South Vul: EW Scoring: IMP

♠ 5 ♥ Q8 ♦ AKJ942 ♣ AJ82

What is your plan here?

[plaur]

I would open 1♦ and bid 3♦ over any 1M, but I have this sneaking feeling that you need a stronger hand in SA.
In the danish beginner system (an Acol'ish variant) this is clearly worth 3♦

[FrancesHinden]

One 1D
Rebid 2C

[pclayton]

FrancesHinden, on Jun 15 2007, 09:49 AM, said:

One 1D
Rebid 2C

Same here.

[jdonn]

I'm not so adamant as a certain partner I have, but yeah 2♣ looks right especially since it avoids picking 2♦ or 3♦ for a hand like this that is right in between.

[skjaeran]

This is an automatic 1♦...2♣ for me. If partner makes a preference to 2♦ I'll raise to 3♦. The latter is absolutely obvious if partner's first response is 1♥, not as obvious after a 1♠ response, but I'd still raise 2♦ to 3.

[Walddk]

plaur, on Jun 15 2007, 07:20 PM, said:

In the danish beginner system (an Acol'ish variant) this is clearly worth 3♦

No it's not. It's a 2♣ rebid, 12-18 at least 5-4 in the minors. 3♦ would deny four clubs although you can choose to ignore them if they are tiny.

Roland

[plaur]

Walddk, on Jun 15 2007, 04:21 PM, said:

plaur, on Jun 15 2007, 07:20 PM, said:

In the danish beginner system (an Acol'ish variant) this is clearly worth 3♦

No it's not. It's a 2♣ rebid, 12-18 at least 5-4 in the minors. 3♦ would deny four clubs although you can choose to ignore them if they are tiny.

Roland

Thanks, wasnt aware of that. Move a small club to hearts. Is it a 3♦ over 1♥ or 1♠ now in Bridgevejen?

♠ 5
♥ Q82
♦ AKJ942
♣ AJ8

[kenrexford]

There is a major difference between this hand and the prior hand, beyond the reverse problem. That is, if people still do courtesy corrections when they are supposed to. Or, has that also passed?

[Walddk]

plaur, on Jun 16 2007, 12:09 AM, said:

Walddk, on Jun 15 2007, 04:21 PM, said:

plaur, on Jun 15 2007, 07:20 PM, said:

In the danish beginner system (an Acol'ish variant) this is clearly worth 3♦

No it's not. It's a 2♣ rebid, 12-18 at least 5-4 in the minors. 3♦ would deny four clubs although you can choose to ignore them if they are tiny.

Roland

Thanks, wasnt aware of that. Move a small club to hearts. Is it a 3♦ over 1♥ or 1♠ now in Bridgevejen?

♠ 5
♥ Q82
♦ AKJ942
♣ AJ8

Since we do not have 2½♦ available, I would say 3♦ over 1♥ and 2♦ over 1♠. After a 1♥ response the hand is considerably better than after 1♠.

[kenrexford]

What does this auction show:

1♦-P-1M-P-
2♣-P-2♦-P-
3♦?

It seems that this auction shows what I have. If not, what does it show?

[foo]

jillybean2, on Jun 15 2007, 12:00 PM, said:

South,EW,IMP,

♠5♥Q8♦AKJ942♣AJ82

What is your plan here?

I like Roland and Ken's posts here.

I also note that you always have 2 ways to bid 64's where the 4 is lower ranking than the 6:
a= foo, foo, bar
b= foo, bar, foo

As Roland noted, considerations as to suit quality matter as much as overall hand strength; but for the most part "a" is the route for weaker hands and "b" is the route for stronger hands.

(and I'm very glad Jilly did not tell us that she opened this 1♦ and then rebid it 3♣... )

[jillybean]

foo, on Jun 15 2007, 10:16 PM, said:

(and I'm very glad Jilly did not tell us that she opened this 1♦ and then rebid it 3♣... )

I have already gone public with enough of my bad bidding for a while

[skjaeran]

kenrexford, on Jun 16 2007, 12:13 AM, said:

There is a major difference between this hand and the prior hand, beyond the reverse problem. That is, if people still do courtesy corrections when they are supposed to. Or, has that also passed?

I don't know about B/I-level, but above that courtesy preferences are still in extencive use - at least where I play.