[goobers]

Hi everyone, I was fiddling around with precision, and some questions came up...

1C - 1D
1S - 2H
3S

What is that jump?

Also,

1C - 2D
2S - 2N

Does 2N limit? What does it show in terms of shape/values?

Thanks, I know these are not the most thought provoking of problems

[jtfanclub]

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Hi everyone, I was fiddling around with precision, and some questions came up...

1C - 1D
1S - 2H
3S

I know my Precision isn't quite like everybody else's, but....

1S showed 16-22 or so: not enough to force game across a 0 count.
2H showed a 3-7 count with at least 5 hearts.

2S would now show a 16-18, little game interest 6+ spades.
3S would now show a 19-22, strong game interest, 6+ spades.

'hcp' is very, very flexible here. Another way to think of it is 2S is 5 (or more) losers, 3S is 4 losers. If I had 'game in hand' I'd have called 2S instead of 1S.

I would need a very good reason to pass 3S. I'd pass 2S unless I had a max.
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Also,

1C - 2D
2S - 2N

Does 2N limit? What does it show in terms of shape/values?

You're in a GF auction. 2NT to me implies a dislike of spades, and unlimited count. It could be very, very strong- a hand that plans to start a cue bid sequence next or just wants to hear what opener has to say.

I play this auction denies 3 spades. It does not, however, promise a balanced or semibalanced hand.

[Tola18]

jtfanclub, on Jun 15 2007, 11:02 AM, said:

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Also,

1C - 2D
2S - 2N

Does 2N limit? What does it show in terms of shape/values?

You're in a GF auction. 2NT to me implies a dislike of spades, and unlimited count. It could be very, very strong- a hand that plans to start a cue bid sequence next or just wants to hear what opener has to say.

I play this auction denies 3 spades. It does not, however, promise a balanced or semibalanced hand.

Yes. I agree. The key here it is a GF-situation, and the principle of slow-approach is on.
Thus 2NT may be stronger than 3NT - probably is stronger. North wants to hear more details from opener. End contract may be NT, but may be something else...

Thus, if opener want to throw in a slam, he must begin from the lowest possible slam, here 6Diamonds = pass or correct.
That principle always when you understand the sequence is strong, but you are not sure which suit to play it: ALWAYS bid out the lowest possible suit - pass or correct.
It is so unnecessary to play 7 minus one, with the 6 cold.


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I do also agree with JTfanclub on example nr 1.

[lowerline]

goobers, on Jun 15 2007, 10:46 AM, said:

Hi everyone, I was fiddling around with precision, and some questions came up...

1C - 1D
1S - 2H
3S

What is that jump?

Also,

1C - 2D
2S - 2N

Does 2N limit? What does it show in terms of shape/values?

Thanks, I know these are not the most thought provoking of problems

Assuming "standard" Precision where the 1♠ rebid is limited and the 2♥ response shows some values (semi-positive), 3♠ now shows a maximum (hence GF opposite a semi-positive) and a good 6crd suit (denying a ♥-fit). With a misfit 3♠ can be passed though (since you are both limited). This is a matter of judgement.

No, but 3NT would have shown a specific hand: 11-13 2353. Usually 2NT shows that same distribution but 8-10 or 14+. Some other distributions might be possible, but you are definitely denying a ♠-fit and have not limited yourself.

Steven

[whereagles]

Not every bid has to be used. Some are simply ilogical. For instance, play precision, the following auction should not exist:

1♠ 1NT
7NT

I can in fact exist if opener overlooked his 4 aces and thought they were a "1" (worth less than a "2" deuce) until a kibby told him aces were the top card ^^

[Apollo81]

whereagles, on Jun 18 2007, 04:22 AM, said:

Not every bid has to be used. Some are simply ilogical. For instance, play precision, the following auction should not exist:

1♠ 1NT
7NT

I can in fact exist if opener overlooked his 4 aces and thought they were a "1" (worth less than a "2" deuce) until a kibby told him aces were the top card ^^

I did have this one once though:

1♣-1♠
7NT

I had 31 HCP

[Robert]

Hi everyone

IC-1D-1S-2H-3S should be forcing and showing a six(+) card suit.

1C-2D-2S-2NT tends to show 2353 shape. I normally show a balanced hand with a 2353 minor hand instead of bidding the minor. Only a very good 5 card suit would suggest bidding the suit(AKQxx or AKJxx type hands)

The values held range from a 8+ unlimited, since 2NT is still game forcing. Responder may sometimes bid 1C-2D-2S-2NT-3NT-4NT to invite slam.

I play a Big Club and 1C-1H* shows spades or a 11-13HCP(or a 17-19) balanced hand.
1C-2D*=8-10 balanced(or 14-16)

You might want to try 1C-1D-1M* forcing-responder bids 1NT with 0-5HCP,
2C* with 6-7HCP and 2D* with three card support and 5-7HCP and a direct raise is four(+) trumps and 5-7 dummy points.

Regards,
Robert