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How many d's?

Poll: All Vul, IMPs (short matches) (32 member(s) have cast votes)

All Vul, IMPs (short matches)

  1. 2 diamonds (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. 3 diamonds (weak) (3 votes [9.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.38%

  3. 4 diamonds (17 votes [53.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 53.12%

  4. 5 diamonds (12 votes [37.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 37.50%

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Posted 2007-June-14, 09:38

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LHO opens 1♣ and pard makes a 1♦ overcall. RHO tries a negative double.

Your call?
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Posted 2007-June-14, 09:40

5♦. If I bid 4 I am just transferring to their 4♥. Might also make on a good day.
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Posted 2007-June-14, 09:57

4♦: yes, this may be a transfer to their 4♥, but unless RHO is a 1♥ bidder on 4=5 in the majors (and not everyone is), partner holds 4♥s and will be well placed to either double or bid 5♦, when either seems clear. 4♦ sends the message that I have a LOT of support, shape and not a good hand. He can hammer them with 4 good hearts and some other defence, or can bid 5♦ 'knowing' that I have short ♥s.

If RHO would double with 4=5, then the problem is tougher, but it is usually difficult to ethically ask these questions at the table, without screens.

If I could ask, and learned that RHO may have 4=5, I think I'd chance 5♦.... the decision is that close.
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Posted 2007-June-14, 10:15

Talked me into 4♦. We could miss a 500 sac, but we won't miss a 200 sac or a make and we will miss any 800 sac.
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Posted 2007-June-14, 10:16

My Qx of clubs steers me to 4D rather than 5
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Posted 2007-June-14, 10:19

5 because of the 4-1M
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Posted 2007-June-14, 10:33

mr1303, on Jun 14 2007, 05:16 PM, said:

My Qx of clubs steers me to 4D rather than 5

I agree.
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Posted 2007-June-14, 11:00

I'd probably bid 4♦ at the table but it's hard to object to 5♦
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Posted 2007-June-14, 11:12

4d.
tough one.
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Posted 2007-June-14, 11:32

2H fit jump is not available?
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Posted 2007-June-14, 11:36

mike777, on Jun 14 2007, 09:12 AM, said:

4d.
tough one.

I chose 4♦. I do not object to 5♦. However, either way, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. You pick a number of diamonds and stick with it. It's not that painful a problem.
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Posted 2007-June-14, 12:51

If I don't bid 5♦ with this one, I never will. I find it hard to believe we can set 4M, so seriously, what's wrong with 5♦?

I guess you could try some save-suggesting 3NT bid, but really...
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Posted 2007-June-14, 12:52

whereagles, on Jun 14 2007, 10:51 AM, said:

If I don't bid 5♦ with this one, I never will. I find it hard to believe we can set 4M, so seriously, what's wrong with 5♦?

It doesn't involve partner.

But other than that, I don't have any serious objections.
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Posted 2007-June-14, 12:54

And 4♦ involves him, by any chance? It contributes nothing but to convey a distorted message of your playing strength...
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Posted 2007-June-14, 12:56

whereagles, on Jun 14 2007, 10:54 AM, said:

And 4♦ involves him, by any chance? It contributes nothing but to convey a distorted message of your playing strength...

The opponents haven't even bid 4M yet! It seems that we might be phantoming too large a percentage of the time if we bid 5♦. I think you are overestimating your playing strength when we still know very little from the auction.

Again, I don't strongly object to 5♦, but I do think it's an overbid. Your mileage may vary.
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Posted 2007-June-14, 13:13

A side note if it matters.

We play overcall structure, so 1♦ will almost always deny a 4 card major.

Not sure if that changes things for you or not.
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Posted 2007-June-14, 18:05

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The opponents haven't even bid 4M yet! It seems that we might be phantoming too large a percentage of the time if we bid 5♦. I think you are overestimating your playing strength when we still know very little from the auction.

Again, I don't strongly object to 5D, but I do think it's an overbid. Your mileage may vary.


Ditto.

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Posted 2007-June-15, 00:41

pclayton, on Jun 15 2007, 04:13 AM, said:

A side note if it matters.

We play overcall structure, so 1♦ will almost always deny a 4 card major.

Not sure if that changes things for you or not.

In this case 4 Diamond is out. We won´t set them.
Else I would prefer 4 to five.
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