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interesting situation for a natural system
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Posted 2007-June-16, 11:47
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Posted 2007-June-16, 12:16
Say you are playing against your 2 average club game players who have taken lessons straight from the Audrey Grant series and have a reasonable grasp of constructive bidding. Naturally these 2 players fear you as you are the young hotshot and would never dream of doubling you under any circumstances and remember all the times you have doubled them and they have gotten flustered and blown 2 extra tricks than usual. You have this hand and partner opens 1D and RHO passes.
If you would tell me in these conditions you would NOT bid, I would say you are failing to understand that a lot of bidding situations, especially tactical ones, are situational. If you would tell me this situation is very specific and will rarely arise, you are wrong.
Another good example, yesterday I had xx xx KJxx QJTxx in third seat white/red. It went 2 passes to me. Of course against anyone who has any kind of skill at all I would just pass with this hand as it's retarded to bid, but I was as usual playing against 2 players who had a good grasp on constructive bidding but once you bid had no idea what to do. My partner ended up in 2H-1 and the opps were cold for 4S so we got a top. Say what you want about my "bad" bid but I think it was the right bid becuase of the circumstances they came up in.
Really thats what I think this hand boils down to.
If you would tell me in these conditions you would NOT bid, I would say you are failing to understand that a lot of bidding situations, especially tactical ones, are situational. If you would tell me this situation is very specific and will rarely arise, you are wrong.
Another good example, yesterday I had xx xx KJxx QJTxx in third seat white/red. It went 2 passes to me. Of course against anyone who has any kind of skill at all I would just pass with this hand as it's retarded to bid, but I was as usual playing against 2 players who had a good grasp on constructive bidding but once you bid had no idea what to do. My partner ended up in 2H-1 and the opps were cold for 4S so we got a top. Say what you want about my "bad" bid but I think it was the right bid becuase of the circumstances they came up in.
Really thats what I think this hand boils down to.
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Posted 2007-June-16, 12:27
Bidding against 2 weak players could be right, but you are trading your natural advantage for randomness. 1N doesnt bar pard and we've got past RHO already.
I expect LHO to balance, and when we bid clubs, pard will have a good idea of our hand type.
The time when I like to make a call with a hand like this if Im playing a game in a weak field, but I happen to be playing the strongest pair. I expect them to do the right thing if I pass - which rates to be an avg minus. Id like to make their job tougher so 1N has appeal.
I expect LHO to balance, and when we bid clubs, pard will have a good idea of our hand type.
The time when I like to make a call with a hand like this if Im playing a game in a weak field, but I happen to be playing the strongest pair. I expect them to do the right thing if I pass - which rates to be an avg minus. Id like to make their job tougher so 1N has appeal.
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Posted 2007-June-16, 22:41
pclayton, on Jun 16 2007, 02:27 PM, said:
...you are trading your natural advantage for randomness....
When youre playing against people that aren't good there are just times when you know you can win the hand in the bidding. I think that's sorta what Justin's saying.
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Posted 2007-June-17, 01:19
Jlall, on Jun 16 2007, 01:16 PM, said:
Naturally these 2 players fear you as you are the young hotshot
Ah! i remember those days....distantly
Except they used to double me
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