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What would you bid? 1H-1S-3H

#1 User is offline   jmc 

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Posted 2007-May-29, 15:55

Playing 2/1 you hold:

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Partner opens 1H you bid 1S and partner bids 3H. You have agreed to play 2/1 game forcing and this bid shows 16 to a terrible 18 and 6 hearts. What is your call? Please assume no special agreements but explain what normal agreements you would assume with a good pick-up partner. Explain a follow up plan if you have one.

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Posted 2007-May-29, 16:29

3NT. I got no plan except to make it :D
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Posted 2007-May-29, 16:31

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3NT. I got no plan except to make it


Yup.

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Posted 2007-May-29, 16:53

3S

Will pass 3nt and let partner plan to make it. :D
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Posted 2007-May-29, 17:24

3NT, not going to overthink this one.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-May-29, 18:42

Overthinking leads to 4♣ which is a cue for hearts. So 3N for me.
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  Posted 2007-May-29, 18:51

3NT. Don't play pard to have 3 card club support.
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Posted 2007-May-29, 19:05

My judgment suggests that 3S is significantly better than 3NT here.

Partner won't bid 3NT unless he has some strength in both minors. In that case you rate to be in the right contract from the right side of the table.

If partner has a doubleton honor in spades he will usually bid 4S and I would expect that to be a better contract than 3NT most of the time.

If partner has 3-card spade support he will likely bid 4 of a minor (a cuebid in support of spades). I might have a problem in terms of deciding whether or not to cooperate, but that problem rates to be less severe then the problems I might have playing in 3NT opposite such a hand.

If partner has none of the above then his heart suit rates to be exceptional. He will likely bid 4H next and I will Pass. 4H will usually be at least as good as 3NT opposite a hand like that.

Even if you belong in clubs there is no way to get there (since 4C will be understood as a cue in support of hearts).

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Posted 2007-May-29, 20:52

The only problem I see with 3S is if partner is 1633 with a minor suit unstopped, I'm not sure if he's supposed to gamble 3N or what with that. Anyways, I would still bid 3S, the 5-2 has lots of upside. If my spades and clubs were reversed I would go 3N probably.
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Posted 2007-May-29, 21:01

jmc, on May 29 2007, 04:55 PM, said:

Explain a follow up plan if you have one.

I'm not telling what I would bid right now. But, whatever it is, my follow-up plan is to blame partner if my bid turns out not to be the right one for this deal. ;)
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Posted 2007-May-30, 00:10

3nt. I don't like it, but don't see any other bid.
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Posted 2007-May-30, 02:14

Just 3NT, don't like 5-1 fits nor 5-2 fits where I had 9 running tricks.
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Posted 2007-May-30, 02:40

Fred always, I mean really always convinces me. Justin convinces me in 95 % of his reasoning.

Okay not today.
I will still bid 3 NT because I would fear that pd won´t gamble 3 NT without a Club stopper, or that he would take me to a tricky 4 Spade contract with 9 top tricks in 3 NT.
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Posted 2007-May-30, 03:10

Hi,

3S, and see what develops from it,
that is my plan.
I will pass 3NT, and I will pass 4H.

I cant bid 4C (it would be a cue in support
of hearts for me, maybe not the best agreement,
but I have to live with it, ... but I know, that
I dont have a clue, what my unknown partner
takes of 4C for).

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Posted 2007-May-30, 04:13

3S.

I play 4C as natural here, but I don't have the right hand for it.

It is a very special hand that
i) has 9 tricks in 3NT
ii) does not have 10 tricks in 4 of a major
iii) partner does not bid 3NT

I don't deny that such hands exist, but I think they are less common than some boring offering opposite such as

Axx
AKQxxx
xx
Ax

or

Ax
KQJ109xx
Jx
Ax
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Posted 2007-May-30, 08:05

FrancesHinden, on May 30 2007, 05:13 AM, said:

I play 4C as natural here, but I don't have the right hand for it.

Interesting, I think this is a minority treatment (not saying you don't play it, just that I don't think most do). Would have been nice the other day, I was 6-6 and the auction started this way.

Do you also play 4D as natural? If so, how do you try for slam in hearts?
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Posted 2007-May-30, 10:43

3S. The trouble with 3N is the heart void. Without at least 1 heart you may not be able to set up and run the hearts if partner's heart suit is good. You will end up stuck in your hand have to lead away from clubs or spades... YUCK! ;)
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Posted 2007-May-30, 11:20

Jlall, on May 30 2007, 03:05 PM, said:

FrancesHinden, on May 30 2007, 05:13 AM, said:

I play 4C as natural here, but I don't have the right hand for it.

Interesting, I think this is a minority treatment (not saying you don't play it, just that I don't think most do). Would have been nice the other day, I was 6-6 and the auction started this way.

Do you also play 4D as natural? If so, how do you try for slam in hearts?

Sorry, I didn't read the auction carefully enough, I also play this as a cue for hearts.

After a 2/1 and jump rebid I play new suits as natural (1H - 2D - 3H - 4C for example) and reserve 3S to agree hearts. (We play 1S - 2D - 3H as a 3S rebid allowing 3S to agree spades and 4C as natural). But this is in a non-2/1-system where the jump rebid is less committal as to strain.
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Posted 2007-May-30, 12:22

At the table I'm sure I reflexively bid 3NT. After reading Fred's post I am kind of on the fence, since I am less convinced of the goodness of a 5-2 spade fit. But I see his points.
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Posted 2007-May-30, 12:53

The 3H bidder's hand was as follows:



I normally play a big club system and felt uncomfortable in this auction. I chose to bid 3NT and it all worked out. I really wanted to bid 3S but thought partner would assume a 6-card suit. Giving up on a slam here with 3NT seemed a bit dangerous to me.

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