[dcvetkov]

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partner you
Pass 1♠
1NT ??


1Nt is not forcing on passed hand. What is your rebid? Do you have some order of preference between 2♦, 2♠, 2NT, 3♠ or something else and which one will work out most of the time?

Scoring is MP, if that will affect yhour decision, non vull all

[mike777]

dcvetkov, on May 25 2007, 10:14 PM, said:

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partner you
Pass 1♠
1NT ??


1Nt is not forcing on passed hand. What is your rebid? Do you have some order of preference between 2♦, 2♠, 2NT, 3♠ or something else and which one will work out most of the time?

Scoring is MP, if that will affect yhour decision, non vull all

2d seems perfect, let's hear partner's rebid, it may help.

[han]

I'd bid 2D planning to bid 3S over 2S. Regular forum members have laughed at me for bidding like this on similar hands though.

[gwnn]

I'd bid 3♠ but I might -rightfully- get injured by partner's beer bottle at the end of the hand.

[whereagles]

3♠ seems on par with playing strength

[pbleighton]

2D, 2S, and 3S all seem reasonable, though personally at mps I would stay away from 2D. At imps 3S would be clear, though uncomfortable.

2S. The rest of the hand is crap, and pd is likely to have wasted values in clubs.

Peter

[Fluffy]

My options are 3♠ and 3NT, ,I would go with the normal 3♠.

[han]

Fluffy, on May 26 2007, 06:56 AM, said:

My options are 3♠ and 3NT, ,I would go with the normal 3♠.

Please explain why this is not a 2NT-wtp hand to you.

[dcvetkov]

Hannie, on May 26 2007, 01:46 PM, said:

Fluffy, on May 26 2007, 06:56 AM, said:

My options are 3♠ and 3NT, ,I would go with the normal 3♠.

Please explain why this is not a 2NT-wtp hand to you.

I see that I did not get a lot of sympathy for my 2NT rebid. its overbid and antipercentage but I did not like really the alternatives. 2D is really I think with flaws at MP, too often partner may pass, and 110 or 130 is what is likely a poor score and may not even make if we get tapped in clubs. Some may argue if partner can not bid again, we are not going anywhere , but.....

There are cpl of pluses for this hand

- Scattered values in quacks and 2NT will lead to a most likely game to make, 3NT
- 6 Spade tricks, difficult to see too many layouts where its easier to take 10 tricks then 9

- Liability is of course singleton club, but partner usually has something in our short minor in this auction, but not today. For example xx Jxxx Kx KQxxx

Anyway, partner raised to 3NT, this time he has AKxx in ♦, and 3 small clubs, 2♠ and Jxxx H, opponents running first 7 tricks, with 4 spades making. Lesson learned? I am not so sure

Some possible bidding may be

1♠ - 1NT
2♦- 3♦
3♥*- 3♠ or 4D **
4♠

* - 3NT probe, do you have something in clubs for 3NT?
** - Nope

[Fluffy]

dcvetkov, on May 28 2007, 08:31 AM, said:

I see that I did not get a lot of sympathy for my 2NT rebid.

2NT is not 15-17 for many players, it is 18-19 (or some as me it is any forcing hand). That's why ou didn't get a lot of sympathy, if I had that bid avaible I would had made it as well.

The alternative is 2♦ then 2NT after 2♠, but the risk on playing 2♦ is too high as you said, tht's why I prefer 3♠ or 3NT directly.



And to answer Han: That is the reason why I don't bid 2NT: I am not strong enough!.

[helene_t]

I can't make must sense of 2♦. Is it intended as looking for 3NT if partner stops the rounded suits? Too sofisticated for me. Please don't tell me that it's just to get the auction going without taking up too much bidding space - if you need such a bid, you should seriously consider changing the system. Playing an artificial 2♣ rebid or something.

The choice is between 3♠ and 3N. I think I'll try 3N.

[hatchett]

Quote

1♠ - 1NT
2♦- 3♦
3♥*- 3♠ or 4D **
4♠

* - 3NT probe, do you have something in clubs for 3NT?
** - Nope

I don't understand 3♥ after 3♦, I would just bid 4♠

Neither do I understand rebidding 3NT with such slow stuff in the other suits outside spades.

Personally I would rebid 2♦. Partner knows we are playing matchpoints as well.

[SoTired]

I would never bid 2D. 2D is non-forcing. Partner may pass and that would be a disaster at MP.

This is a 5-loser hand. (Or look at it as 15 HCP and a singleton). It is too strong for a 2S bid.

I think we have 3 choices: 2N, 3S or 3N. If partner has wasted club strength, this hand plays better at NT. If partner has little club strength, this hand plays better at spades. If partner has a smattered of high cards, it could go either way.

But there is one additional consideration: If partner has useless cards, then 3S may still make, while 2N or 3N will go down.

3S

[mike777]

I don't understand bidding anything but 2D on this hand. Why make up bids, just bid my hand and let partner bid theirs. I am aiming/hoping for 70% accuracy in my auctions, not to confuse partner. I got an opening hand with long spades and diamonds.

I only have a 5 loser hand if I have a fit. At this point I do not have a fit.

[gwnn]

yea LHO rates to be lurking with 9xxxxx.....

[han]

SoTired, on May 28 2007, 02:24 PM, said:

I would never bid 2D. 2D is non-forcing. Partner may pass and that would be a disaster at MP.

2D is non-forcing and if partner passes then that may be a disaster, true. But partner won't often pass (we can hold 18 HCP). And if partner does pass then we may do better than all the 3NT bidders (!), a partner that passes 2D will unlikely deliver what is necessary to make 3NT.

So while 2D is risky, in my opinion it is less of a gamble than the other calls. My second choice would be 3S, there really is no other reasonable call in my opinion.

[Edmunte1]

I would have bid 3♠-good suit 7 1/2 tricks. 2♦ is possible as second alternative, with the risk of getting passed

[dcvetkov]

Edmunte1, on May 28 2007, 04:37 PM, said:

I would have bid 3♠-good suit 7 1/2 tricks. 2♦ is possible as second alternative, with the risk of getting passed

Problem with bidding 3S is that partner will often raise with some 8 or 9 counter to 4, and that will be often hopeless game , when he has some wasted values in clubs, like KJxxx. You have slow values and it will not be surprising for us to be off first 4 tricks. This hand is not so great if partner does not have cpl of aces or filler in diamonds and for sure dont count on ruffing something in dummy.

I still think 3Nt is game most likely to make, more often then 10 tricks in 4S
Basically, like other people have said:

- if Partner has values in clubs, we like to be in NT
- if partner has nothing in clubs , then we want to be in spades.

How to find out? Have no idea, simple bidding 2♦ will work here, or maybe some gadget to show singleton club as a short suit game try, if that is possible

MHO

[skjaeran]

In my regular partnership I'm lucky enough to be able to rebid 2♣ (transfer) and follow up with 2 (or 3 if I fancy that)♠.

Playing standard methods I'd rebid 2♦. Partner would strive not to pass, so I don't think it's a disaster when he does pass. If I survive this, I'm fine.