5611 after minor preempt
#21
Posted 2007-May-22, 15:27
So you only gain when partner has ♥Hxx and a minor suit ace. That's a very unlikely target. (I am sure a simulation would show that partner is quite unlikely to have 3 hearts here.)
#22
Posted 2007-May-22, 19:37
West North East South
- 2♦ Pass 2♠
Pass 3♦ Pass 3♥
Pass 3NT Pass 4♥
Pass Pass Pass
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#23
Posted 2007-May-22, 20:00
1) Nth is max for the 2D opening, and some would open 1D
2) The D hook works
3) H are 2-2
#24
Posted 2007-May-22, 20:28
- hrothgar
#25 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2007-May-22, 20:57
#26
Posted 2007-May-22, 23:58
If partner has some hand like:
xx
Ax
KJxxxx
xxx
then sure, I will play 3♥. But 3♥ is not much worse than 2♦ on this hand.
If partner has something like:
x
QJx
AJxxxx
xxx
then 2♥ gets me to game.
Basically bidding 2♥ will: (1) get me to 4♥ when it's good (2) fairly often get me to play 3♥ instead of 2♦, which is probably win 2 more often than it's a minus position by far (3) fairly often get me to play 3♦ instead of 2♦ for a possible loss, but with a very good chance opponents make an inferior lead that could well cause me to break even.
It seems okay to me.
a.k.a. Appeal Without Merit
#27
Posted 2007-May-23, 01:08
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♥ QT8
♦ AJ9854
♣ K43
Partner has a supermax weak two with great support and the ACE of ♦ and trumps break 2 - 2 for just making. Congratulations. 90% of the time you are just handing out free IMPs. Still Pass. 2nd alternative Pass. 3rd alternative PASS.
#28
Posted 2007-May-23, 01:45
#29
Posted 2007-May-23, 05:12
Harald
#30
Posted 2007-May-23, 09:15
awm, on May 23 2007, 12:58 AM, said:
If partner has some hand like:
xx
Ax
KJxxxx
xxx
then sure, I will play 3♥. But 3♥ is not much worse than 2♦ on this hand.
I don't think this example is totally fair. As compared to that hand, something like xx Kx KJTxxx xxx is potentially a trick worse in hearts, definitely a trick better in diamonds, and a much more clear preempt.
I do admit that if we were to bid, I much prefer hearts to spades. But I still find it wacky.
#31
Posted 2007-May-23, 09:36
While the 2D bid is a preempt, responder is unlimited and to require that opener jump to 4H to show extras (and a semi-blanced hand) consumes valuable bidding space.
And I would have thought that, most of the time, a hand that is strong enough to force via 2H is strong enough to want to be in game if partner fits the suit: if you're not that strong, then pass 2D.
So, for me, the idea that we can try 2H and get out in 3H opposite a minimum makes no sense....if doing so means that we must jump with a max. Not to mention that Ax KJxxxx in the reds sure looks like a GOOD hand opposite a forcing 2H response
BTW, I have in the past used an artificial 3C rebid by opener to show a minimum with a fit.... and in that sequence we can still play 3H, while not destroying our own bidding space when opener has a maximum with a fit.
And a fit is defined as Hx (H=Q+) or any 3 card support.
#32
Posted 2007-May-23, 09:47
mikeh, on May 23 2007, 03:36 PM, said:
I don't think it has any sense specially on this hand, how can 3♥ be better than 2♦?, if we are going to bid it has to be to find a makeable game
Nobody else but me thinks lead directing 2♠ is worth anything so probably I was wrong.

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