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#1 User is offline   Edmunte1 

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Posted 2007-May-21, 13:20

Playing in the national MP's final, you hold as South in second seat:
Scoring: MP

and East opens 1.

a ) What's your first bid ?
b ) Considering that LHO bids 4 and it comes pass - pass up to you, what's your second bid?
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Posted 2007-May-21, 13:23

4H then X.
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Posted 2007-May-21, 13:24

My first bid is 4. The tougher question to me is whether I make another move over 4. I hate bidding my hand twice, but to me the void and good heart suit make me try again with 5. Very difficult call though.
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Posted 2007-May-21, 13:36

#a 2H, but I can understand 4H
#b having bid 2H, I now bid 5H,
having bid 4H, I now bid 5D

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Posted 2007-May-21, 13:41

2H then 5H; 2H allows pard to act, and if he passes 4s i'm willing to believe it makes
at IMPS 4H may be practical bid then pass
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Posted 2007-May-21, 14:23

I like the 4/5 route myself.

Thinking partner will put me back in Hearts with at least 2 hearts and less than 4 diamonds


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Posted 2007-May-21, 14:39

4 first. If LHO bids the expected 4, I might try 4NT on a good day.

Prefer 4NT to 5 so that pard knows to expect a 7-4 and pick the right suit :P
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Posted 2007-May-21, 14:52

4H then 5D seems way too unilateral. You have a lot of defense here, and if partner has short hearts you might well beat them. If he has some hearts he will usually bid 5H over your X. I agree you'd usually like more defense than this for the reopening X, but nothings perfect.
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  Posted 2007-May-21, 14:56

Ditto Justin. Bidding 5D is casting your entire lot (pun intended) into the mix.
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Posted 2007-May-21, 15:09

4, next 4NT-if P says 5, I-5 so i think that will show may very good and some -just in case if my P have 5or more
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Posted 2007-May-21, 15:31

I don't think showing helps us at all, I would bid 2 or 4 depending on the day, next bid is 5
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Posted 2007-May-21, 15:48

4, then double.
Double shows that I've got a very good 4 overcall with some defence. Partner bids on or converts as is appropriate with his holding.
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Posted 2007-May-21, 16:00

skaeran, on May 21 2007, 04:48 PM, said:

4, then double.
Double shows that I've got a very good 4 overcall with some defence. Partner bids on or converts as is appropriate with his holding.

agree 100%

Also agree with Justin that we's like a better hand, defensively, to double, but we can't always hold the hand they show in the dictionary next to our bid.

I cannot understand wanting to get s in play: even if he has 4 of them, our hand may be dead after we are tapped at trick one...if s are 4-1, we may be going down a LOT, especially since he rates not to hold the trump Ace.

If he has short s and 5+s, then I am sorry.... but the odds say that this is not the most probable red suit layout.

And LHO was under pressure when he bid 4. BTW, I would not have bid 4 had I not intended to double next: the beauty of the 4 bid is that it puts pressure on LHO and partner may be sitting there with a delicious trump holding, unable to double because my 4 call did not promise any defence at all: I'd bid 4 on KQJxxxxxx and out.
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Posted 2007-May-22, 00:29

This was the full hand:
Scoring: MP


As you can see 4 then double was the right choice, even with almost nothing in partner's hand this goes down 2. My choice 2 followed by 5 ( i was hoping to have a second bid or partner to make a move before 4), -500 scored 3/20 MP's
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