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Your call

Poll: What do you bid? (35 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you bid?

  1. Pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. 3H (2 votes [5.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.71%

  3. 3S (2 votes [5.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.71%

  4. 3NT (12 votes [34.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.29%

  5. 4S (18 votes [51.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 51.43%

  6. Other (1 votes [2.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.86%

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#21 Guest_Jlall_*

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Posted 2007-May-08, 12:52

Why would partner pass with a stiff small club? He will know he has ruffing potential in the dummy to go with an 8 card major suit fit and a stiff in a suit they've bid twice. If you have to wait for KJTx to suggest 3N you're going to be waiting a long time. Here were have 4333, scattered values, huge chance of 3N being the right spot given that they may be able to ruff a club or play AK and a club, and we have already suggested 3 card support. We really can't suggest now what our hand looks like and what may be the right spot? I don't think I have gone down in too many 4S contracts with 3N cold when I had a stiff club on auctions like this.
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Posted 2007-May-08, 15:03

And you guys call me a mastermind? You're all bidding 3NT on a double-fit auction!!! :) :)
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Posted 2007-May-08, 15:16

I still somewhat disagree with the 3NT bid, but it's not masterminding since they already showed a spade fit. Hiding the fit altogether to bid notrump would be masterminding :)
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Posted 2007-May-08, 16:07

I agree 3NT isn't masterminding when you've told partner about the spade fit. Bidding 2NT over the 1S overcall is masterminding(ish) - I'm surprised no-one suggested it!

At the table my partner, who held this hand, bid 4S over 3D. He said he contemplated 3NT but was concerned about a boring layout such as KQ10xx Ax KJxx xx opposite (and yes, 4S isn't totally cold opposite that but it's way better than 3NT).

However the 3NT bidders are right this time. Partner has



and 3NT makes with the aid of the spade finesse, while 4S has the obvious four losers. (Partner certainly won't pull with "two low clubs" on this auction. The heart suit is the biggest worry.)

3 imps out, because we were doubled (a little aggressively) in 4S, while team-mates defending it undoubled.
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Posted 2007-May-08, 17:09

Well, showing a spade fit and suggesting 3NT isn't masterminding, of course. But hiding the diamond double fit certainly borders on it :)
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Posted 2007-May-09, 01:17

Is pard really going to pass 3N with a sharp 5-5? This hand looks very suit oriented to me.
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Posted 2007-May-09, 02:21

bid_em_up, on May 8 2007, 11:35 AM, said:

pbleighton, on May 8 2007, 06:39 AM, said:

3S. Pd has declined the invitation by bidding 3D.

Peter

He did no such thing. Pass is the only bid that specifically declines the invitation.

Hi,

I want to add two things
- Pass is forcing, at least for me, since 2C
forces the partnership to 3S
As I have said already, I am not 100% sure,
what the 2C bid meant.
i.e. pass sends the message, that partner
is not sure, if he wants to play spade or
defend.
The only bid to decline the inviation is 3S.
- How you play 3D is a matter of partnership
agreement, for me it is a game try with
diamonds values, it does not even need to
be a 4 carder => i.e. holding a 3 card suit
does not gurantee a diamond fit.

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With kind regards
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Posted 2007-May-09, 02:26

P_Marlowe, on May 9 2007, 09:21 AM, said:

Hi,

I want to add two things
- Pass is forcing, at least for me, since 2C
forces the partnership to 3S
As I have said already, I am not 100% sure,
what the 2C bid meant.

2C was forcing to 2S.
Thus pass would have been a weak bid.
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Posted 2007-May-09, 02:27

pclayton, on May 9 2007, 08:17 AM, said:

Is pard really going to pass 3N with a sharp 5-5? This hand looks very suit oriented to me.

With a low doubleton club, yes. The winning defence against 4S is obvious.
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Posted 2008-February-17, 06:02

FrancesHinden, on May 9 2007, 10:27 AM, said:

pclayton, on May 9 2007, 08:17 AM, said:

Is pard really going to pass 3N with a sharp 5-5? This hand looks very suit oriented to me.

With a low doubleton club, yes. The winning defence against 4S is obvious.

And is it obvious to partner that the defense vs 4S is obvious?
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Posted 2008-February-17, 13:00

3NT.

If I had similar shape and better clubs I would have bid 1NT on the previous round.

Therefore this is clearly a choice of games and partner will pull with hands unsuitable for 3NT.
Wayne Burrows

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Posted 2008-February-17, 13:01

lol, nice necro csaba
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