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#1 User is offline   Cascade 

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  Posted 2007-April-23, 01:59

My partner and I broke some sort of record on the weekend when we failed by 1 trick in 1NT redoubled when we were cold for a grand slam in two denominations.

The hands were something like:

Scoring: MPs

1NT X XX All Pass


1NT was a weak and a little off-shape and redouble showed values.

:)

Edit:

I had the hands slightly incorrect - I have found the hand record now:

Scoring: MPs

1NT X XX All Pass

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Posted 2007-April-23, 02:23

roflmao. Someone doubled with 7 solid S and not much else? I blame Nth. I guess you knew who your opps were and that they were capable of doubling on this? Even if you didn't I think the xx sucks, precisely BECAUSE you may be cold for a slam. Knowing you Wayne, you probably have methods for a forcing auction after a X, but I wonder how many posters do have a forcing bid other than a xx available.

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Posted 2007-April-23, 02:33

The_Hog, on Apr 23 2007, 10:23 AM, said:

I wonder how many posters do have a forcing bid other than a xx available.

2N must be forcing but I've no idea what it means in any of my partnerships.
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Posted 2007-April-23, 02:56

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2N must be forcing but I've no idea what it means in any of my partnerships.


This is the meaning I agreed with partner. Forcing but don't want to play 1NTxx. Nothing else :). Followups undiscussed also, of course.

1NT X 2NT p
3♣ p 3♦ p
4♦ p we'll see...
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Posted 2007-April-23, 04:23

I blame both :)

North should have bid 2NT (not rdbl) and South should have bid 2♣ (not pass).
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Posted 2007-April-23, 04:32

Well, South did psyche and then an escape might be in order...

('Psyche' is what Edgar Kaplan called 1NT-openings with 6-card minor :)
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Posted 2007-April-23, 08:14

Lol, that was fun.
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Posted 2007-April-23, 08:49

I have a better one.

AKQxxx
J10xx
x
xx

Jxxx
AKQ
Jxx
Jxx

South opens a 10-12 NT at favorable vulnerability. West doubles and North redoubles. All pass.

West rattles off 7 diamond tricks, cashes the ♣A and then leads to his partner's club suit. Down 7.

This happened to me years ago playing in the OKBridge college championship. I was South, and not very pleased with my partner's decision on this deal =)
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Posted 2007-April-23, 09:02

wtf apollo. shoot pard :P
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Posted 2007-April-23, 11:07

North can't redouble on that, you expect to see a load of spades cashed. I agree with 2NT, which whatever it means must be artificial and forcing.

South has no business pulling the redouble. The only psychic thing about the 1NT opening was that it has too much playing strength, which is hardly a reason to pull it!
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Posted 2007-April-23, 11:30

Looking at a 14 count it can hardly come as a surprise to North that West has 7 solid spades, or six spades and ♣A. 2NT is what North should come up with. I am sure that 2NT has different meanings depending on agreement, but it is surely not natural.

One method is Nilslands Slinkningar (Mats Nilsland, Sweden).

http://www.syskon.nu/konventioner/konkurre...s_slinkn_01.pdf

It's in Swedish, but if you scroll down and find 2NT, "Artificiellt utgångskrav" means "Artificial game force".

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Posted 2007-April-23, 13:06

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I have a better one.

AKQxxx
J10xx
x
xx

Jxxx
AKQ
Jxx
Jxx

South opens a 10-12 NT at favorable vulnerability. West doubles and North redoubles. All pass.

West rattles off 7 diamond tricks, cashes the ♣A and then leads to his partner's club suit. Down 7.

This happened to me years ago playing in the OKBridge college championship. I was South, and not very pleased with my partner's decision on this deal =)


Hehe.. I verify this is true because I was the doubler with 7 solid D :-) Btw.. your clubs were Qx opp Jx

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Posted 2007-April-23, 16:44

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I have a better one.

AKQxxx
J10xx
x
xx

Jxxx
AKQ
Jxx
Jxx

South opens a 10-12 NT at favorable vulnerability. West doubles and North redoubles. All pass.

West rattles off 7 diamond tricks, cashes the ♣A and then leads to his partner's club suit. Down 7.

This happened to me years ago playing in the OKBridge college championship. I was South, and not very pleased with my partner's decision on this deal =)


Hehe.. I verify this is true because I was the doubler with 7 solid D :-) Btw.. your clubs were Qx opp Jx

my only 3400 so far :)

Doubling with a solid 7 card suit is nothing to be proud of. I wouldn't own up to a mistake like this.
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Posted 2007-April-23, 17:37

Doubling with a solid 7 card suit is not such a bad idea if people will keep redoubling on these hands.

What does a strong 3 suited hand with a void think the opponent is doubling on? The auction hasn't even reached him yet and he already all but knows he is cold for a grand, and instead he redoubles knowing a suit is about to be run on him?
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Posted 2007-April-23, 20:46

The latter disaster reminds me of a similar error, by my opponents.

They also were in some number of notrump, with a dummy ery like that shown -- but with a running AKQ10xxx in a minor. Declarer reneged on the third round of the suit, established the revoke, and then played the 10. NOW he found the Jack in his hand, blocking the suit (no side entries) for a cost of three tricks, plus the two-trick penalty. So, AKQ10xxx opposite Jxxx yielded a net of two tricks.
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Posted 2007-April-23, 22:21

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Doubling with a solid 7 card suit is nothing to be proud of. I wouldn't own up to a mistake like this.


Yah.. it is not a right bid.. but since it came up like 4 years ago.. I can claim I'm still pretty new to the game.. :P

It was a fun game after all
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