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Worth a double?

Poll: Well...is it? (47 member(s) have cast votes)

Well...is it?

  1. Pass (17 votes [36.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 36.17%

  2. Double (30 votes [63.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 63.83%

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Posted 2007-April-10, 23:03

Scoring: IMP

1♦ 1♥ PASS 2♥
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Posted 2007-April-10, 23:08

Double. If you pass they'll probably be left to play in 2H as partner is likely to have a few hearts-so at this favourable vul you want to compete for the partscore.
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Posted 2007-April-10, 23:40

Well, it depends on what agreements you have over 1♦ - (1♥). If 1♠ can be dished out with 4 card ♠, then pd would have bid 1♠ the first time around, and now it is not safe as most likely you will be at the 3 minor level. So you pass.

If pd needs to have 5 card ♠ to respond over 1♦ - (1♥), then the odds of buying the contract at the 2 ♠ level increases with a Double.
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Posted 2007-April-10, 23:47

dbl.
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Posted 2007-April-11, 00:25

Pass. OK, the vulnerability is right and at matchpoints I might try to chase them into 3♥. But I don't think it's worthwhile at IMPs. Opps can probably make 3♥ so there's not much to win, and occasionaly a dbl could be expensive.
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Posted 2007-April-11, 03:49

Dbl, My minor honors are not well placed behind overcaller but I'm happy to compete to 2♠, partner is likely to have 4
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Posted 2007-April-11, 04:43

jillybean2, on Apr 11 2007, 09:49 AM, said:

Dbl, My minor honors are not well placed behind overcaller but I'm happy to compete to 2♠, partner is likely to have 4

Although it wouldn't surprise me to find some honors behind me, assuming this is always true against anyone but a very sound overcaller would lead to excessive conservatism. However, I am glad that you double despite this qualm.
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Posted 2007-April-11, 05:08

Pass, exchange the Ace of hearts
with another low spot card, and I
would say dbl is ok, we are green,
which does also play a role, being red,
I would pass.

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Posted 2007-April-11, 05:23

Dbl and yes it is obvious :P
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Posted 2007-April-11, 05:31

Not obvíous, depends on what partner COULD have bid before.
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Posted 2007-April-11, 05:47

Pass, just not enough to compete
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Posted 2007-April-11, 06:10

Not at imps.
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Posted 2007-April-11, 07:21

FrancesHinden, on Apr 11 2007, 08:10 AM, said:

Not at imps.

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Posted 2007-April-11, 09:01

"Not at imps."

Ditto.

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Posted 2007-April-11, 10:42

Just to say it's a pickup partnership, so no special agreements about partner's potential double at his first turn. It would have just been a negative double showing 4 spades and enough to be bidding.

Why are people always assuming or wondering about special agreements in these polls! If there was anything more relevant, I would have posted it :)
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Posted 2007-April-11, 10:50

Pass. I might even pass at MPs.

Stiff Aces are bad cards to hold, and pard is probably sitting on a balanced hand that couldn't bid 1N.

Having the agreement that a double by pard of 1♥ denies 4♠ helps define this auction, since pard isn't stuck with a flat 8 count and no call.

By the way, if pard reopens with a x, its penalty, but 2N should be minoresque.
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Posted 2007-April-11, 11:20

helene_t, on Apr 11 2007, 07:25 AM, said:

Opps can probably make 3♥

There are 3 unseen hands at this table, and don't see where the evidence is to suggest that opps are making 9. I double.
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Posted 2007-April-11, 11:22

I voted pass. About 1½ point short of a double. I pass at mp too.
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Posted 2007-April-12, 00:34

Here was the full hand.

Scoring: IMP

S W N E
1♦ 1♥ P 2♥
P 4♥ PPP


Though it's not completely trivial, the hand can and probably will be made, essentially by taking a correct view in spades. Meanwhile our side has an easy 300 sacrifice that could win 8 imps.

I was actually west, and had a discussion with south about it after the hand. He thought doubling shows a better hand than he held. My own opinion is that passing there with this shape is like rolling over and dying.
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Posted 2007-April-12, 02:51

Yeah I agree that pass is just giving up while you have the perfect shape for a double. People sometimes tell me that I double too much for takeout, but on this hand it would definitely pay off (as it does a lot).
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