[Miron]

Scoring: IMP

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2♠ - 3♥ - pass - ?

Ops knows that psych bid exists. But they are no crazy bidders.

Do you go for bluff reveal, or minimul loss on missfit?

[helene_t]

Pass is absurd. I'm way too strong.

LHO might be psyching but even so there's no way to reach 4♠. 3♠ followed by 4♠ is certainly not natural and I don't think partner will take a direct 4♠ as natural either.

I bid 3NT.

[hrothgar]

I don't know many good pairs that would psych a 2♠ opening in first seat. (Hell, I don't think that I've ever seen a first seat 2♠ psyche)

Yes, I have a chunky 6+ card Spade suit. Even so, I think that its far more likely that RHO opponent opened 2♠ with AJT98 in Spades and some 5-4-3-1 pattern than an outright psych.

My hand is terrible for a Heart contract.
Mark me down for a 3NT bid.

This seems a lot safer than passing 3♥ or expecting that partner will read 4♠ as a natural bid.
(Even if he did, I'm not taking an action that is intended to force the auction past 4♥. Thats just asking for trouble)

[jtfanclub]

I would interpret 3♠, correcting 3NT to 4♠ as natural without an agreement*. If partner made any other call besides 3NT over 3♠, then I do not (can not) bid 4♠. Most likely, we'll end up in 4 of a minor, but if partner is short spades (as he must be if this isn't a psyche) and didn't X, I don't think 3NT is going to make.

*making thousands of people throughout the world happy that they're not my partner.

This post has been edited by jtfanclub: 2007-March-07, 08:43

[Miron]

I'm bit suprised. What is:
2♠ - 3♥ - pass - 3♠
pass - 4♣ - pass - 4♠
in your methods?

[Miron]

Jlall, on Mar 7 2007, 03:48 PM, said:

Miron, on Mar 7 2007, 09:46 AM, said:

I'm bit suprised. What is:
2♠ - 3♥ - pass - 3♠
pass - 4♣ - pass - 4♠
in your methods?

A cuebid. And if you later bid 5S, that's a cuebid. I suppose by 6S partner would get the message. Saying this is natural is making meanings for bids up to fit your hand (and your spades are not nearly good enough for this even if it was natural, why do you want to play in spades after they've bid a weak 2?).

Cause they psyched

[helene_t]

Miron, on Mar 7 2007, 04:46 PM, said:

I'm bit suprised. What is:
2♠ - 3♥ - pass - 3♠
pass - 4♣ - pass - 4♠
in your methods?

I'm almost sure that it's a slam try for clubs, no matter what method one plays.

[brianshark]

And not a slam try for hearts? Either way, it's probably a cue, and 5♠ is probably a void, and 6♠ is probably asking about the ♠ ace for 7NT or something.

[jtfanclub]

Jlall, on Mar 7 2007, 09:48 AM, said:

Miron, on Mar 7 2007, 09:46 AM, said:

I'm bit suprised. What is:
2♠ - 3♥ - pass - 3♠
pass - 4♣ - pass - 4♠
in your methods?

A cuebid.

But what about

2♠ - 3♥ - pass - 3♠
pass - 3NT - pass - 4♠

Would you interpret that as a cue bid? Or psyche-exposing?

(I don't know how I would interpet the auction with the 4♣ bid, but it wouldn't be natural).

[pbleighton]

I agree with Justin, I don' think they psyched.

Pass.

3NT is tempting, but will probably go down.

Peter

[Vilgan]

This reminds me of a hand from about a year ago.

The bidding of the hand went:

1♠ 2♠ 3NT - all check

After the hand was over, my RHO mentioned that if my partner had passed instead of bidding 3NT, he was going to pass 2 spades. The reply was "And that large thud you woulda heard would have been my jaw hitting the table" (he was 6/6 reds).

I had 5 spades, LHO and my partner both had a void, and RHO had 8 spades to the AJT9. Strange hands happen, and they happen a lot more frequently than I really ever see someone psyching spades in the first seat

Eric

[hotShot]

I would like to bid 3NT, but how on earth is my partner going to get my ♠ tricks, if 2♠ is a weak 6 card ♠ suit. I don't think that opener will allow partner some sort of endplay.

[Fluffy]

On 3NT we make no trick, not that we will mak more in 3♥, but at least partner will. Options ar epass adn 4♥, I'll pass.

BTW, I could take 7♠ as transfer on some other biddings where RHO has shown the suit.

[hrothgar]

Fluffy, on Mar 7 2007, 07:18 PM, said:

On 3NT we make no trick, not that we will mak more in 3♥, but at least partner will. Options ar epass adn 4♥, I'll pass.

BTW, I could take 7♠ as transfer on some other biddings where RHO has shown the suit.

What makes you think that Hearts will play better than NT

RHO is sitting over partner and is marked with Spade shortness.

I don't know if Spades are going to split 2-0, 1-1, 0-2, 0-1, 1-0 or what. I do know is that having someone sit over me with Spade shortage and a good chance at heart length scares me.

Partner isn't getting any ruffs with my hand. They aren't going to run Spades in a NT contract. If partner decided to bid 3♥ on crap then he's gonna learn a valuable lesson.

[Apollo81]

I raise to 4♥. I don't think they psyched.

[pclayton]

The best reason for 3N is that they can't get their hearts promoted. Other than that, it rates to be ugly.

Echo others; if they psyched - touche!

[bid_em_up]

Miron, on Mar 7 2007, 09:49 AM, said:

Jlall, on Mar 7 2007, 03:48 PM, said:

Miron, on Mar 7 2007, 09:46 AM, said:

I'm bit suprised. What is:
2♠ - 3♥ - pass - 3♠
pass - 4♣ - pass - 4♠
in your methods?

A cuebid. And if you later bid 5S, that's a cuebid. I suppose by 6S partner would get the message. Saying this is natural is making meanings for bids up to fit your hand (and your spades are not nearly good enough for this even if it was natural, why do you want to play in spades after they've bid a weak 2?).

Cause they psyched

And you know this, how?

After the fact? When you see all the cards?

And if they havent psyched? Then what? Do you really want to play 4S knowing in advance that LHO has A10976x?

Really, if they have psyched, good for them. It worked. Oh well. If they haven't (and you have no reason to believe otherwise), considering anything other than pass is, ummm, optimistic. Yea, thats the word I was looking for.