[jillybean]

Dealer: North Vul: NS Scoring: IMP

♠ A875 ♥ AKT4 ♦ 7542 ♣ 4

West North East South

 -     1♣    Pass  1♥
 Pass  1♠    Pass  ?
  

We all like to open on 11, how do I invite and show extra?

[hrothgar]

This depends a lot on what the 1♠ rebid promises

I strongly prefer a style in which a 1♠ rebid promises an unbalanced hand.

Partner should be sitting on either

4=1=3=5 shape
4=3=1=5 shape (he'd probably raise hearts with a minimum)
4=2=2=5 shape
any number of 6-4 patterns

I'd probably rebid 3♠. If partner is a sound opener, then 2♦ looks a lot more attractive.

[pbleighton]

4S. 3S is quite reasonable, but it's not my style.

Peter

[mike777]

jillybean2, on Mar 31 2007, 07:33 PM, said:

Dealer: North Vul: NS Scoring: IMP

♠ A875 ♥ AKT4 ♦ 7542 ♣ 4

West North East South

 -     1♣    Pass  1♥
 Pass  1♠    Pass  ?
  

We all like to open on 11, how do I invite and show extra?

ya just bid 3s invite if partner opens on junk and I would rebid 4s if partner opens sound and not confuse the issue with 4sf.

[kenrexford]

Visualize hands.

On the one hand, maybe partner could have a death hand, like QJxx-Q-Jxx-KQJxx? That's awfully pessimistic, but plausible.

Partner might also have the golden hand, like KQxx-Qxx-x-AKxxx, where slam has real play.

If 2♦ is forcing to game, it is probably worth forcing this to game. The pessimistic view is a stretch, and probably down one will be repeated everywhere. But, taking it slow might help work out matters.

[Winstonm]

hrothgar, on Mar 31 2007, 07:41 PM, said:

This depends a lot on what the 1♠ rebid promises

I strongly prefer a style in which a 1♠ rebid promises an unbalanced hand.

Partner should be sitting on either

4=1=3=5 shape
4=3=1=5 shape (he'd probably raise hearts with a minimum)
4=2=2=5 shape
any number of 6-4 patterns

I'd probably rebid 3♠.  If partner is a sound opener, then 2♦ looks a lot more attractive.

Although I agree with the concept that 1C-1D-1M should be unbalanced, I've found the auction 1C-1H-1S to be unplayable as promising an unbalanced hand.

With 4324, you are forced to either raise hearts or bid NT, and with 4225 I don't know what you do as I don't think this should be called unbalanced.

[P_Marlowe]

3S.

Holding a singleton in partners
longest suit, is a neg. feature.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: Going through FSF shows a stronger
hand, at least playing standard.
If you bid game or just invite may be a
mood thing, being red and playing IMP.
Partner will only pass with grap, i.e. he
will only pass if game has no chances at all.

[HeartA]

Jlall, on Mar 31 2007, 09:33 PM, said:

I think this is way too good to invite. I would bid 4S, 2D is reasonable.

I agree with Justin. This is far too good for inviting. I wish I could splinter with 4C.

[han]

I think the hand is too good to invite with, but 3S would be the "standard" way to invite.

[whereagles]

The hand is an obvious game-force due to the singleton and superb controls. The only question here is whether to bid 2♦+4♠ or a straight 4♠.

I would try 2♦ most of the time. If pard happens to have a good 16-17, slam might be on. Bidding a straight 4♠ might leave pard with an uneasy feeling and I that's bad if slam is on.

[mhais]

2nt is forcing asking pd to describe his hand further in this case i will bid 4s.

[BillHiggin]

I consider that asking 1♠ to guarantee an unbalanced hand is too extreme for strong no-trump systems (fine for weak though). A more reasonable agreement (stolen from Benito) is that 1♠ confirms 4+♣ and shows suitability for suit play (Aces and spaces versus quacks). This works quite well in a system that includes xyz (without that, you may need to agree that 1N denies 4♠).

Of course, the OP must not include xyz since then the spectrum of ♠ raises is almost too great (immediate single raise, immediate jump raise, 2♣ then single raise, 2♣ then jump raise, 2♦ then single raise or 2♦ then jump raise).

I do like xyz a lot.

[jdonn]

Why not bid 4♣, this is a splinter even though it's in the suit partner opened so it seems perfect.

[whereagles]

jdonn: 4♣ splinter is perfect... if you're sure you have that agreed with pard

[skjaeran]

Being a light opener, raising to game is a slight overbid. But I'd not invite at IMP's anyway. I'll show my ♣ singleton on the way, so 4♣'s is my bid.

[jillybean]

I never considered 4♣ splinter, are you sure you wont be playing 5♣?

[jdonn]

Quite sure, it's a standard bid I have no worry that anyone I play with regularly would misinterpret.