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#1 User is offline   Gerben42 

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Posted 2007-March-27, 11:13

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West deals and opens 3♦, pass pass to you and you bid 3♥. Pass, partner 3♠.

What's that?
What do you bid?
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Posted 2007-March-27, 11:48

How about 4♣? One good torture deserves another :)

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Posted 2007-March-27, 12:09

4H, usually i'd bid 4C with this shape but I'm ok playing a 6-1 fit with this hand. Pass is possible too but it has no real upside other than you aren't Xed yet, I prefer to be more optimistic.
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Posted 2007-March-27, 14:20

As a general sort of question, is 3♠ forcing here? I would think yes... this is not the same as partner really being a "passed hand" since there are a number of quite good hands which have no easy bid over a preempt.

Anyways I'll agree with 4♥ as most likely to be right.
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Posted 2007-March-27, 14:24

Gerben42, on Mar 27 2007, 07:13 PM, said:

What's that?
What do you bid?

Spades.
4♥.

3♠ does not imply a heart fit, but it shows values so I'm quite happy to rebid my strong 6-carder.

If you think 3♠ is torture, then look at this .....

♠ K8732
♥ 3
♦ KJ9542
♣ 7

1♥ - 1♠
2♣ - ??

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Posted 2007-March-27, 14:47

Original problem: 4♥ looks so ok I'd have tried it the round before :)

Roland's problem: obvious 2♠, wtp? :)
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Posted 2007-March-27, 14:52

Which is supposed to be the partner torture bid here? 3♠?? If a natural, forcing new suit bid already is partner torture to you, maybe you should find another game :)
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Posted 2007-March-27, 15:33

Pass. 4♥ could make but I think bidding on is more likely to lead to a disaster.
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Posted 2007-March-27, 16:31

I really don't think 3S should be forcing... perhaps I balance too much. Parnter may not be the same as a "passed hand" but he's certainly limited by his failure to bid 3S the first time so I don't really see how his bid can be defined as forcing. With xx AKJxx x QJxxx I'm sure I'd bid 3H in balancing seat and then pass 3S out.
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Posted 2007-March-27, 16:48

3♠ must be NF. It were to be forcing, pard would have already bid 3♠ the round before, no? :)
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Posted 2007-March-27, 17:42

I'm with Justin ...

there is no way 3♠ should be forcing. Its definitely constructive but partner can pass with a suitable minimum or is that an unsuitable minimum.
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Posted 2007-March-28, 06:44

Partner with his spades thought 'I can't bid direct 3S, that's sure to overheat this auction'
You bid 3H, now his 3S WON'T overheat this auction. OR WILL IT ???
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Posted 2007-March-28, 07:49

So now that we have decided that it's not forcing, do you pass or bid? B)
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Posted 2007-March-28, 08:20

PD bid non forcing spades and I show a one suiter with 4 Heart.
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Posted 2007-March-28, 09:16

My instinct is to pass but I don't have a strong feeling about this hand.
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