[DWM]

Scoring: MP

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You are lucky enough to deal yourself this monster.

What is your bidding plan playing a natural 2/1 system

[whereagles]

Open 1♠, rebid 6♥. Alternatively, open 2♣ and follow the same plan as above.

A bit unilateral, but it's very difficult to find out whether pard has the keycards, so one can simply play the odds.

[hrothgar]

Open 1♠ and make a forcing rebid in Hearts

[helene_t]

Open 2♣, then 2♠, then 3♥. If partner signs off in 4♥ I pass, if he prefers spades or cues a minor suit I'll start looking for slam.

Alternatively, open 6♠.

Opening 1♠ is not my style, although I know that many (probably most) good players would do that.

[dake50]

Too bad you don't have an asking bid structure: partner do you have a top H; do you have SA? Yes,Yes= pick grand. Yes,no= pick 6M. No,no= pick 4M.
Our 1C would ask H top, then cues SA/not. We know.

[inquiry]

Oh boy... playing standard 2/1, I guess I would open 2♣ --- yes, yes, I know the rule about not opening 2♣ with a strong two suiter, but I can't see any other way out of this pickle. Heck, if I open 1M partner might make a weak jump shift in a minor (or the oppenents might) and I will have a hell of a time getting this hand off my chest...

1S - (bid) - (bid) -(bid)
6H

Does not solve the problem, as partner with the spade ACE or Heart King might think that is enough, especially if he also has something like D-A too.

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Now if it wasn't standard 2/1 and I was allowed to use MisIry, I would open 2NT and rebid 5♥ to show a major two suiter with "two losers" and no need for a cover card in clubs.

Over 5♥, partner can pass, correct to 5♠, 6♠, 6♥, 7♥ or 7♠ . With a fit and diamond ACE he will probably bid slam and you will need the heart hook (plus an entry to dummy, which will have to be a spade ruff). If partner DOES NOT BID grand, but bids any investigatory bid (asking if DA or DK is useful or if you are missing a major suit queen), with this hand you would signoff... AFter all, if partner had both major honors he would have bid the GRAND over 5♥.

[Gerben42]

I've had a hand like this already and I opened 1x. I do it again. 1♠ it is then.

1♠ bid bid bid 5♥. Partner should raise me a level for every major suit honor. If 5♥ at this point is not a jump it is trickier of course.

[Walddk]

A minority vote here. I would open 1♥ (no, I don't fear that it will go all pass). Since the 5-level is safe, the advantage of opening 1♥ rather than 1♠ is that ♥K will be a key card later when I, hopefully, get a chance to make an exclusion 5♦ bid.

I play 1430 but 0314 when using exclusion, so I can stand any response over 5♦.

Roland

[the hog]

Playing rdk's favourite structure -
3NT specific A ask, followed by 4NT specific King ask. What! You still play the gambling 3NT????! Well you'd better change then, hadn't you?

[Codo]

I play 4 NT specific ace asking and I had this opening three times in my life. Each time opps came in with their suit and "smashed" the structure.
Without this tool, I would open 2 Club. There is an overall strength,where I would even open a two suiter with 2 Club.

[pclayton]

Ben; thanks for not putting an unpaid ad in for Misiry

I'd open it 1♠ and JS to 3♥. I'll cue bid my way to slam if necessary.

If I exclusion at some point with 5♦, I'm probably committing the hand to slam anyway, so I don't like Roland's approach.

[Walddk]

pclayton, on Mar 28 2007, 05:50 PM, said:

If I exclusion at some point with 5♦, I'm probably committing the hand to slam anyway, so I don't like Roland's approach.

I'm lost. Do you think I will proceed beyond 5♥ (no ♠A and no ♥K) if that is the response I get? I did set hearts, remember.

Roland

[inquiry]

pclayton, on Mar 28 2007, 10:50 AM, said:

Ben; thanks for not putting an unpaid ad in for Misiry

Your welcome, sort of... cause as you see I did mention MisIry. On the otherhand, I did start off with what I would do playing standard 2/1 (unlike those with other gimmicks like 3NT askign for specific ACES).

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I'd open it 1♠ and JS to 3♥. I'll cue bid my way to slam if necessary.

All well and good, but what if partner bids 3♦ over 1♠. Now 3♥ is not a jumpshift. Fear one is 1♠ all pass. Fear two is the auction doesn't allow you to show the true quality of your monster. I guess in competitive auctions it will be back to 1 then 6. And if parnter does show diamonds that removes exclusion anyway,

[cherdano]

Gerben42, on Mar 28 2007, 07:47 AM, said:

I've had a hand like this already and I opened 1x. I do it again. 1♠ it is then.

1♠ bid bid bid 5♥. Partner should raise me a level for every major suit honor. If 5♥ at this point is not a jump it is trickier of course.

Hmm. 1S (2C) 2D (3C) 5H. Isn't this exclusion?

[helene_t]

The_Hog, on Mar 28 2007, 04:17 PM, said:

Playing rdk's favourite structure -
3NT specific A ask, followed by 4NT specific King ask. What! You still play the gambling 3NT????! Well you'd better change then, hadn't you?

Too primitive. I'd open 4♠, specific kickback for hearts

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

one option: open 1S, jump to 3H (pf)
and bid 5D, partner will get the message.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Vilgan]

Hrmm... MP at unfavorable I'm going to be very tempted to just open 6 spades, to prevent the opps from finding out that they might have a good save in the minors. Going to be hard to bid the hand scientifically, and nothing sucks more than having a beautiful auction.. confirming you should be in 6 spades, and then the opps save at 7 of a minor.

At imps or at equal/favorable vuln, I'll start with 1H, planning to reverse into spades. It gives me more time to describe strength/shape (no need to leap to 3 level). Also, if partner bids hearts at any point I can leap to 5♦ for exclusion. I do play 1430 over exclusion, but if partner has 0.. I'm okay with being in spades This hand does make me think that perhaps 3014 over exclusion might be worth considering tho.

If 1♥ is passed out, I'll want to cry.. but RHO should have a 5 card minor and therefore have an easy balance. Also if RHO balances with 1NT, I'll feel really good about the HK being onside for 6 spades assuming I can ever hit his hand

Eric

[whereagles]

The_Hog, on Mar 28 2007, 02:17 PM, said:

What! You still play the gambling 3NT????! Well you'd better change then, hadn't you?

What do you suggest we do with the gambling hand then? (Note: I'm not willing to let go any nat pree )

[pclayton]

Walddk, on Mar 28 2007, 08:03 AM, said:

pclayton, on Mar 28 2007, 05:50 PM, said:

If I exclusion at some point with 5♦, I'm probably committing the hand to slam anyway, so I don't like Roland's approach.

I'm lost. Do you think I will proceed beyond 5♥ (no ♠A and no ♥K) if that is the response I get? I did set hearts, remember.

Roland

Roland: How do you plan to 'set' hearts as trump if pard never raises?