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#1 User is offline   DWM 

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Posted 2007-March-28, 06:08

Scoring: MP


You are lucky enough to deal yourself this monster.

What is your bidding plan playing a natural 2/1 system
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Posted 2007-March-28, 06:39

Open 1♠, rebid 6♥. Alternatively, open 2♣ and follow the same plan as above.

A bit unilateral, but it's very difficult to find out whether pard has the keycards, so one can simply play the odds.
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Posted 2007-March-28, 06:54

Open 1♠ and make a forcing rebid in Hearts
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Posted 2007-March-28, 06:59

Open 2♣, then 2♠, then 3♥. If partner signs off in 4♥ I pass, if he prefers spades or cues a minor suit I'll start looking for slam.

Alternatively, open 6♠.

Opening 1♠ is not my style, although I know that many (probably most) good players would do that.
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Posted 2007-March-28, 07:07

Too bad you don't have an asking bid structure: partner do you have a top H; do you have SA? Yes,Yes= pick grand. Yes,no= pick 6M. No,no= pick 4M.
Our 1C would ask H top, then cues SA/not. We know.
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Posted 2007-March-28, 07:27

Oh boy... playing standard 2/1, I guess I would open 2♣ --- yes, yes, I know the rule about not opening 2♣ with a strong two suiter, but I can't see any other way out of this pickle. Heck, if I open 1M partner might make a weak jump shift in a minor (or the oppenents might) and I will have a hell of a time getting this hand off my chest...

1S - (bid) - (bid) -(bid)
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Does not solve the problem, as partner with the spade ACE or Heart King might think that is enough, especially if he also has something like D-A too.

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Now if it wasn't standard 2/1 and I was allowed to use MisIry, I would open 2NT and rebid 5♥ to show a major two suiter with "two losers" and no need for a cover card in clubs.

Over 5♥, partner can pass, correct to 5♠, 6♠, 6♥, 7♥ or 7♠ . With a fit and diamond ACE he will probably bid slam and you will need the heart hook (plus an entry to dummy, which will have to be a spade ruff). If partner DOES NOT BID grand, but bids any investigatory bid (asking if DA or DK is useful or if you are missing a major suit queen), with this hand you would signoff... AFter all, if partner had both major honors he would have bid the GRAND over 5♥.
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Posted 2007-March-28, 07:42

I would open 1S as well, if I open 2C the auction could time out very poorly for me and won't really help.
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Posted 2007-March-28, 07:47

I've had a hand like this already and I opened 1x. I do it again. 1♠ it is then.

1♠ bid bid bid 5♥. Partner should raise me a level for every major suit honor. If 5♥ at this point is not a jump it is trickier of course.
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Posted 2007-March-28, 07:52

A minority vote here. I would open 1♥ (no, I don't fear that it will go all pass). Since the 5-level is safe, the advantage of opening 1♥ rather than 1♠ is that ♥K will be a key card later when I, hopefully, get a chance to make an exclusion 5♦ bid.

I play 1430 but 0314 when using exclusion, so I can stand any response over 5♦.

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Posted 2007-March-28, 08:17

Playing rdk's favourite structure -
3NT specific A ask, followed by 4NT specific King ask. What! You still play the gambling 3NT????! Well you'd better change then, hadn't you?
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Posted 2007-March-28, 08:22

I play 4 NT specific ace asking and I had this opening three times in my life. Each time opps came in with their suit and "smashed" the structure.
Without this tool, I would open 2 Club. There is an overall strength,where I would even open a two suiter with 2 Club.
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Posted 2007-March-28, 09:50

Ben; thanks for not putting an unpaid ad in for Misiry B)

I'd open it 1♠ and JS to 3♥. I'll cue bid my way to slam if necessary.

If I exclusion at some point with 5♦, I'm probably committing the hand to slam anyway, so I don't like Roland's approach.
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Posted 2007-March-28, 10:03

pclayton, on Mar 28 2007, 05:50 PM, said:

If I exclusion at some point with 5♦, I'm probably committing the hand to slam anyway, so I don't like Roland's approach.

I'm lost. Do you think I will proceed beyond 5♥ (no ♠A and no ♥K) if that is the response I get? I did set hearts, remember.

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Posted 2007-March-28, 10:07

pclayton, on Mar 28 2007, 10:50 AM, said:

Ben; thanks for not putting an unpaid ad in for Misiry B)

Your welcome, sort of... cause as you see I did mention MisIry. On the otherhand, I did start off with what I would do playing standard 2/1 (unlike those with other gimmicks like 3NT askign for specific ACES).

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I'd open it 1♠ and JS to 3♥. I'll cue bid my way to slam if necessary.


All well and good, but what if partner bids 3♦ over 1♠. Now 3♥ is not a jumpshift. Fear one is 1♠ all pass. Fear two is the auction doesn't allow you to show the true quality of your monster. I guess in competitive auctions it will be back to 1 then 6. And if parnter does show diamonds that removes exclusion anyway,
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Posted 2007-March-28, 10:09

Gerben42, on Mar 28 2007, 07:47 AM, said:

I've had a hand like this already and I opened 1x. I do it again. 1♠ it is then.

1♠ bid bid bid 5♥. Partner should raise me a level for every major suit honor. If 5♥ at this point is not a jump it is trickier of course.

Hmm. 1S (2C) 2D (3C) 5H. Isn't this exclusion?
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Posted 2007-March-28, 11:33

The_Hog, on Mar 28 2007, 04:17 PM, said:

Playing rdk's favourite structure -
3NT specific A ask, followed by 4NT specific King ask. What! You still play the gambling 3NT????! Well you'd better change then, hadn't you?

Too primitive. I'd open 4♠, specific kickback for hearts B)
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Posted 2007-March-28, 14:01

Hi,

one option: open 1S, jump to 3H (pf)
and bid 5D, partner will get the message.

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Posted 2007-March-28, 15:58

Hrmm... MP at unfavorable I'm going to be very tempted to just open 6 spades, to prevent the opps from finding out that they might have a good save in the minors. Going to be hard to bid the hand scientifically, and nothing sucks more than having a beautiful auction.. confirming you should be in 6 spades, and then the opps save at 7 of a minor.

At imps or at equal/favorable vuln, I'll start with 1H, planning to reverse into spades. It gives me more time to describe strength/shape (no need to leap to 3 level). Also, if partner bids hearts at any point I can leap to 5♦ for exclusion. I do play 1430 over exclusion, but if partner has 0.. I'm okay with being in spades :P This hand does make me think that perhaps 3014 over exclusion might be worth considering tho.

If 1♥ is passed out, I'll want to cry.. but RHO should have a 5 card minor and therefore have an easy balance. Also if RHO balances with 1NT, I'll feel really good about the HK being onside for 6 spades assuming I can ever hit his hand :P

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Posted 2007-March-28, 16:06

The_Hog, on Mar 28 2007, 02:17 PM, said:

What! You still play the gambling 3NT????! Well you'd better change then, hadn't you?

What do you suggest we do with the gambling hand then? (Note: I'm not willing to let go any nat pree :P)
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Posted 2007-March-28, 16:30

Walddk, on Mar 28 2007, 08:03 AM, said:

pclayton, on Mar 28 2007, 05:50 PM, said:

If I exclusion at some point with 5♦, I'm probably committing the hand to slam anyway, so I don't like Roland's approach.

I'm lost. Do you think I will proceed beyond 5♥ (no ♠A and no ♥K) if that is the response I get? I did set hearts, remember.

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