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#1 User is offline   Apollo81 

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Posted 2007-March-25, 19:00

AQJxxxxxxx
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Kxx
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MPs, 1st seat fav


What's your plan for this one? Please dont answer "I open 4d which is convention W which shows blah blah blah" I actually held this at the table and was playing with a first time expert partner.
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Posted 2007-March-25, 19:06

I open 6♠. Presume I don't need much of a plan after that.
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Posted 2007-March-25, 19:18

6S for me too
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Posted 2007-March-25, 19:23

5♠.
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Posted 2007-March-25, 19:29

6♠ seems like it has around a 50% chance.
I assume that makes it the par bid.
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Posted 2007-March-25, 19:41

It's 1 or 6: count me in for 1♠. The opps are not playing this hand... at least, not undoubled and not at anything below the 5 level and not necessarily then either, but let's see what happens... and if anyone suggests that I am resting in 1♠.......I sort of doubt it.
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Posted 2007-March-25, 20:12

With the master suit (and a hand that is clearly outside of our agreements), I might well start with PASS.

I may have a reasonable idea of where the hand is going next time around (and clearly am gambling that the opps will not have exchanged too much information). When I do enter the auction (at a high level), the opps will be sure that something wierd is happening, but they will be as unsure as my "first time expert" partner as to exactly what it is.

I do not engage in frequent tactical exploits, but this is a hand that rates to have everyone else guessing, and I have had good success with trusting my late auction judgement on freak hands.

The worst that can happen is a bottom. This partnership could die in birth :)
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Posted 2007-March-25, 20:24

Apollo81, on Mar 25 2007, 08:00 PM, said:

AQJxxxxxxx
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Kxx
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MPs, 1st seat fav


What's your plan for this one?  Please dont answer "I open 4d which is convention W which shows blah blah blah"  I actually held this at the table and was playing with a first time expert partner.

Given the set up, ty, I pass.
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Posted 2007-March-25, 20:39

I've been playing bridge for 27 years and I've held one 10 card suit in my life, and it wasn't this good.

6♠. No method for this.
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Posted 2007-March-25, 21:02

One thing is for certain, if I pass now, it is not going all pass.

6S is a shot in the dark, that is unlikely to work out well. You have the boss suit, you can outbid them later. Or you may decide that defending 6 of their suit is better with partner holding stacks in both round suits. They may even play 5 diamonds where you can beat it with an opening ruff.

I may be willing to bid 6S later, but I want to hear whats going on first. I pass.
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
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Posted 2007-March-25, 23:26

Definitely 1 or 6. With hearts I would certainly bid 6. With spades I'll try 1.
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Posted 2007-March-26, 00:05

I don't care who or how many people answered it, I can not even take a 6♠ opening seriously.

Opening 1 might let you learn something that lets you realize 6 isn't good (lho overcalls diamonds) or that 7 is good (partner at some point bids diamonds) and in any case nothing will stop you from bidding 6 later.

Sometimes people say a slow approach will let the opponents find a save, but on the 7 level, favorable, and at mps, this seems like an impossibility to me. And even if they did who is to say 6♠ was making!

And isn't there any worry at all partner will raise with the king of spades? Or that plus heart ace? Or that plus club ace? Is partner just not allowed to raise a 6 level opening bid ever?? I could see not raising with the spade king and out since the 6 opener could be taking a little chance (like with AKJx on the side say) but with the spade king and some fillers it seems automatic to me.

To me opening this 6 is almost an insult to ones self, like saying I have so little confidence in my ability to try and find out what I need to know that I will turn the hand into a giant roulette spin and pray. Not for me.

People who have talked to me a lot before won't be surprised, most know that my all time favorite hand was a 7-6 freak where I was able to find a good grand with a slow approach. I still truly believe that as dealer, with freak hands that aren't quite weak, going slow can pay off huge.
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Posted 2007-March-26, 00:09

jdonn, on Mar 26 2007, 01:05 AM, said:

I don't care who or how many people answered it, I can not even take a 6♠ opening seriously.

dude how much money have I won off of you in poker? I rest my case :)
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Posted 2007-March-26, 00:17

Jlall, on Mar 26 2007, 01:09 AM, said:

jdonn, on Mar 26 2007, 01:05 AM, said:

I don't care who or how many people answered it, I can not even take a 6♠ opening seriously.

dude how much money have I won off of you in poker? I rest my case :)

Very little, I am pretty cheap. Besides you just never fold to me so if I ever got a hand you would be toast.
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Posted 2007-March-26, 00:33

I fear partner raising a 6S opener to 7 with the Spade King.
Certainly with Spade King, Heart Ace and Club Ace.
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Posted 2007-March-26, 01:49

I´ll go with the 1 Spade bidders. Where is the reasoning in passing?
In which case are you better placed then after an opening?
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Posted 2007-March-26, 02:18

6♠ wtp. Especially at matchpoints where the overtrick I get from the blind lead may make all the difference.
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Posted 2007-March-26, 02:27

6 s is very tempting and i think most of us would bid it at the table. however there is little need to preempt since we have the s suit, opps are vulnerable and noone knows who can make what.
6 s has an advantage because opps do not know what to lead. the disadvantages are clear, we cannot make any decision based on facts. since i have an expert partner who is not going to run away with the hand i have a suggestion: i open 1 d! this will surely not end the auction, p may show support or some other suit and opps are very unlikely to open my first bid suit. the more i think about it, the more i like 1d!
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Posted 2007-March-26, 02:40

What's you plan after 1♦? Just blasting 6♠? Maybe p will correct 6♠ to 7♦, thinking you're 6-7 or 5-8. Or maybe opps will smell the tactical bid and lead a diamond.

You could also open 1♥ and then rebid 6♠. Then LHO will think 1♥ was a lead-inhibiting psyche and lead a heart.
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Posted 2007-March-26, 04:01

5♠ for me. I'm aggressive but 6♠ rates not to make and I don't see why opps should be making 6-something. So 5♠ is the optimal bid for me.
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