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From our unit Christmas Party Game: MPs
S - 984
H - AQJ85
D - J4
C - 753
S - QJT653 S - K72
H - 4 H - T73
D - A953 D - QT75
C - K9 C - QT4
S - A
H - K962
D - K82
C - AJ862
Contract 4H by South. Would you prefer to declare or defend? In other words, can 4 Hearts always be made, or will perfect defense alway defeat it?
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Declare or Defend???
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Posted 2003-December-11, 15:13
Please do not complain about my opinion. I don't have the time to convince you I'm right.
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Posted 2003-December-11, 15:27
It doesn't matter, only with a club lead giving away a trick, you can make +1, in any hand. Normally you'll lose 1 diamond and 2 clubs...
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Posted 2003-December-11, 15:30
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It doesn't matter, only with a club lead giving away a trick, you can make +1, in any hand. Normally you'll lose 1 diamond and 2 clubs...
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I don't believe it's that simple. How do you lose only 1 diamond if you have to play them yourself?
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Posted 2003-December-11, 15:36
It seems that you only lose one diamond as long as the opps start playing them.
You can also get clubs going for three tricks, and can ruff a spade in hand, so 10 tricks seem to be there.
You can also get clubs going for three tricks, and can ruff a spade in hand, so 10 tricks seem to be there.
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Posted 2003-December-11, 15:42
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It seems that you only lose one diamond as long as the opps start playing them.
You can also get clubs going for three tricks, and can ruff a spade in hand, so 10 tricks seem to be there.
You can also get clubs going for three tricks, and can ruff a spade in hand, so 10 tricks seem to be there.
Yes, but just how are you going to force the opponents to lead diamonds? Also, you may be able to establish the 4th ahd 5th clubs, but after being tapped twice in spades, how do you draw trumps and get back to your good clubs?
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Posted 2003-December-11, 15:51
Win S, duck a C, ruff S continuation, cash K of H and duck a C. If S are continued, ruff, back with a trump, draw trump and then C to A. All this assumes you guess the D correctly if they are led and also that after ducking the second C a third C is not ruffed.
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Posted 2003-December-11, 15:52
You do not have to force them to play Diamonds.
Ace of Spades 1 trick
1 Spade Ruff 1 trick
5 Trumps in North 5 tricks
3 Clubs 3 tricks
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Total 10 tricks
Ace of Spades 1 trick
1 Spade Ruff 1 trick
5 Trumps in North 5 tricks
3 Clubs 3 tricks
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Total 10 tricks
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Posted 2003-December-11, 16:10
K let me make life interesting....I give you...TRUMP lead.
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Posted 2003-December-11, 18:40
I don't get it... Trump lead, no trump lead, what is the problem I want to play it...
Bridge 102 avoidance play. Develop clubs to keep EAST off the lead. Lose 2C, both to WEST. Win 5H, 3C, 1S and 1Spade ruff in south. 10 tricks, very easy way...
Too much egg nog? :-)
Of course if I overlooked somthing silly, I use the same excuse.
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Bridge 102 avoidance play. Develop clubs to keep EAST off the lead. Lose 2C, both to WEST. Win 5H, 3C, 1S and 1Spade ruff in south. 10 tricks, very easy way...
Too much egg nog? :-)
Of course if I overlooked somthing silly, I use the same excuse.
Ben
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Posted 2003-December-12, 05:33
You really dont need them to play Diamonds. If they don't, you can make an overtrick by discarding your diamonds in north on good clubs, and ruffing 2 spades. I really don't see the problem... :
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Posted 2003-December-23, 22:06
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I don't get it... Trump lead, no trump lead, what is the problem I want to play it...
Bridge 102 avoidance play. Develop clubs to keep EAST off the lead. Lose 2C, both to WEST. Win 5H, 3C, 1S and 1Spade ruff in south. 10 tricks, very easy way...
Too much egg nog? :-)
Of course if I overlooked somthing silly, I use the same excuse.
Ben
Bridge 102 avoidance play. Develop clubs to keep EAST off the lead. Lose 2C, both to WEST. Win 5H, 3C, 1S and 1Spade ruff in south. 10 tricks, very easy way...
Too much egg nog? :-)
Of course if I overlooked somthing silly, I use the same excuse.
Ben
I am with Ben, at leat he has eggnog
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Posted 2003-December-31, 12:35
If West leads a spade then I win and play ace and another club.
West wins and forces hand with another spade or I make easily. So I ruff it in hand, cross to dummy and ruff the last spade, then draw trumps and play my last club. East must win and lead a diamond for me.
If West decided to drop the CK under my ace I simply draw trumps finishing in dummy and lead a club toward the jack.
Can always make 10 tricks.
West wins and forces hand with another spade or I make easily. So I ruff it in hand, cross to dummy and ruff the last spade, then draw trumps and play my last club. East must win and lead a diamond for me.
If West decided to drop the CK under my ace I simply draw trumps finishing in dummy and lead a club toward the jack.
Can always make 10 tricks.
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