[jim420]

Just a hand on MBC...

Scoring: IMP

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Both sides have 20 HCP...

If u were South, would u preempt 2♠?
Facing S's preempt, would u now raise 4♠ as N? or what would u bid?

[skjaeran]

I'd open the south hand 2♠. That shows 8-11 hcp and a 6c suit in my methods. With the north hand I'd either pass, planning to bid 3♠ if opps balance or raise directly to 3♠, preemptive/tactical. I'd expect the hand to belong to our side, although on some layouts opps might have the highest making contract (if partner's got ♣ support).

[mike777]

1) lightish opening, I open one spade...no problem yet.
2) roth/ stone...=2s=3c=3d=?

[paulg]

I'd open the hand 1♠ as 6-4 with concentrated values is too good for 2♠. This opening would lead us to bid and go down in game.

p

[pbleighton]

"lightish opening, I open one spade...no problem yet."

Unless of course you are having one of those days where you routinely pass 13 counts

In my 2/1 partnership I open 2S, and my partner tanks, then bids 4S.

In my other partnership I open 1S (8-11), my partner responds 2S (0-14), and there it rests, unless we are pushed higher.

Peter

[BillHiggin]

Open 2♠ (clear cut in my style)
Responde 3♣ - my agreements - shows clubs as a source of tricks, spade tolerance, forcing for one round. Change the ♥K to ♥A and it would be 4♣ fit jump.
Rebid 3♦ - descriptive, nothing to be ashamed of
Most likely we now get too high at 4♠. I have gone down before.

Reduce the ♥K to any lesser ♥, and I still start with 3♣, but now will clearly stop at 3♠. The ♣ suit does not need to be THAT good for the 3♣ call.

[Fluffy]

When too good for 2♠ but not too strong I like to open 3♠, vulnerable is less likelly though.

[MickyB]

Fluffy, on Feb 24 2007, 12:30 PM, said:

When too good for 2♠ but not too strong I like to open 3♠, vulnerable is less likelly though.

Yes, likewise. 1, 2 and 3 aren't ridiculous here, but I think I'd go for 2♠.

[mcphee]

I do not like when partners open these hands 1S, it's no a 1 level opening for me, and I am not a shy bidder. Now I look to the next option of 2S and this falls into that group except for the no so great suit. I reason that if I was to pass this I may not be well placed later in the auction and may face being shut out of showing S. 6-4 hands play well most times.

As for opening 3S, it would never ever be a first or second seat option for me. My feelings are that players who open these hands 3S play alone. This is nothing that resembles a 3 opening and on a 1 to 10 scale I mark it as minus 43 as I feel gracious with my scoring table.

[jim420]

A special note was that "Go down in 4♠" here does result in a quite large IMP loss contrary to intuition that this might be a "common" overbid - about 6-7 for 4♠-1 and 8-9 for 4♠-2

One tricky thing was 4♠ (South declarer, of course) does not necessarily go down, although in the score table there are at least 5 4♠S-1ers. The reason was West might be mistaken to lead ♣ instead of ♥. Facing a ♣ lead, declarer can play clubs to pitch ♥s immediately afterwards and 4♠ will make, probably with an overtrick as well!

In fact, in the scoreboard there is one 4♠xS= and a 4♠xS+1...

Now this is getting more complicated...leading us to another question: will u lead ♣ or ♥ as West against a spade contract? How will the bidding affect ur action?

[SoTired]

Normal 2S opening bid for me. 1S would not enter mind. I may or may not bid 4S as North. Phase of moon thing.

I might bid 2N first. If playing "feature" and opener rebid 3D, then I would sign off in 3S knowing my ♥K was vulnerable.

[jim420]

Btw, doesn't "classical teaching" requires two of the top 3 honors to make a preempt?

What do u think about this requirement?

[whereagles]

2♠ would be my opening. What to do with North's hand depends on the weak 2 style. If disciplined, a straight 4 seems fair. Else trot out the 2NT gadget.

[SoTired]

jim420, on Feb 25 2007, 10:15 AM, said:

Btw, doesn't "classical teaching" requires two of the top 3 honors to make a preempt?

What do u think about this requirement?

i don't adhere to that view.

[matmat]

I pass

[han]

I'd open 2S, and I think that this is clear. Who cares what bridge teachers in the 50's taught, this is now.

[Winstonm]

I would open 2S.

As North, I would bid 2N (Losing trick count ask)
Opener would repond 3C (7 losers)
North would ask for shortness with 3D
Opener would deny a singleton diamond with 3S.

End of auction.

[cherdano]

jim420, on Feb 25 2007, 09:15 AM, said:

Btw, doesn't "classical teaching" requires two of the top 3 honors to make a preempt?

What do u think about this requirement?

It may be a good teaching method for beginners, but I think anyone who wants to become intermediate or better should throw this out in order to be able to preempt more.

[dake50]

Under a 1C force umbrella, weak openings like this abound.
Open 1S get 2C; rebid 2S(7L) get one more push to 3S; quit with wrong Clubs.

[brianshark]

I don't like misdescribing my hand, so I pass.