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Double void grand how do you bid it?

#1 User is offline   jim420 

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Posted 2007-February-26, 08:50

Topic says it all...

This time I'm fully conscious as South, and therefore didn't have the luck to bid the grand slam :P

How do you approach it? Interference is very heavy. Would you even suspect the possiblity of a slam existing?

Scoring: IMP

W N E S
1♠ 2♦ 2♠ 3♥
3♠ 4♥ P P
P

4♥S+3
Opening lead: ♠K
4.3 IMP to EW


EDIT: additional scoreboard note - this is an MBC hand. Nobody bid grand. A 6♥xx+1 bidder gets 14.9 IMP, 3 other tables get 6♥+1 and 2 gets 6♥, for 6.0 and 5.4 IMP. If you miss slam, you lose IMP. A sacrifice attempt of 4♠x-3 gives 1.8 IMP to NS.

PS: I truly dunno how one table could possibly waste this as 6♥-1, must have pitched the ♣A on facing a ♠ lead (jk of coz)...but that gave us better IMP... :P
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Posted 2007-February-26, 08:53

The grand is extraordinarily difficult to bid with any confidence.
I would hope to get to a small slam.

On your auction, North is far too good for a 4H bid. 6H is a better evaluation of the power of the hand, though 4S is the obvious call for the time being.
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Posted 2007-February-26, 08:54

edit. I would x by north and maybe reach small slam but maybe not.
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Posted 2007-February-26, 09:12

opps raise might help south to think of ♥KQ and ♦AK or AQ, but that needs north to bid something else than 4♥.

I would also be very happy if I can reach 6.
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Posted 2007-February-26, 09:17

4H was a big underbid here, but as others have said 7 is tough.
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Posted 2007-February-26, 09:40

Ditto.

I'd add that I do not even like the grand slam here. After a spade or trump lead, I'm down to three hearts. I cash both minor Aces, ruff a diamond, back a heart, ruff a diamond, with a spade ruff in there somewhere. If diamonds splint 3-2, I take three more diamonds in dummy (beyond the Ace), resulting in three spade pitches, and the one spade ruff. That's not enough. So, I need two spade ruffs, meaning that hearts must also split 2-1.

With two voids, I'm not all that keen on playing for diamonds and trumps to both cooperate.
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Posted 2007-February-28, 07:39

Actually from all bids in the partnership I just liked the final pass.
With North I had prefered X to 2 Diamond but the difference is small.
With south I surely had passed 2 Spade- or I have a tool to show weak long Hearts now. But I doubt, that this is a lebensohl stuation for a lot of partnerships.
Back to north I had bid 4 Spade, 6 Heart 5 Spade or even 7 Heart but never ever 4 Heart.

I think you should reach small slam quite often with these kind of hands but grand slam is too far away - and no good bet anyway.
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