[Gerben42]

I'm considering starting up goulash tournaments again. The old ones used to be just TOO extreme for me, getting 10-card suits all the time and not randomly dealt (which could be seen from sequences like ♣QJT98765).

I have a script that makes completely random goulash distributions into PBN format and will try to run a tourney with those if there's interest.

[helene_t]

Completely random goulash? Oximoron?

I think I can guess approximately what you mean, though. Inflated chance of getting unbalanced hands but otherwise completely random?

[Gerben42]

Okay what the script does is that it calculates a value of unbalancedness for the actual distribution and discards it if the deal is not unbalanced enough. As such it makes sure that it takes a completely random sample from the set of "deals that are unbalanced enough".

[matmat]

Gerben42, on Feb 16 2007, 06:22 AM, said:

Okay what the script does is that it calculates a value of unbalancedness for the actual distribution and discards it if the deal is not unbalanced enough. As such it makes sure that it takes a completely random sample from the set of "deals that are unbalanced enough".

what's wrong with a script that performs a random shuffle, sorts the in random suit and size order, stacks the hands and deals them out in random chunks of 3 through, say, 6 cards?

[Gerben42]

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what's wrong with a script that performs a random shuffle, sorts the in random suit and size order, stacks the hands and deals them out in random chunks of 3 through, say, 6 cards?

Nothing except that you would have to write from scratch, for this you can use sater57 's deal script


Example output:

   1.
7                   K T 8               A Q J 9 6 5 4 3 2   - 
A J 2               T 9 8 4 3           -                   K Q 7 6 5 
A J 5 3 2           Q                   T 6                 K 9 8 7 4 
A 9 6 5             Q 7 3 2             K 4                 J T 8 

   2.
Q 7 4               K T 9 8 6 3 2       A J 5               - 
8 6 3               K                   T 9 7 5 2           A Q J 4 
A K                 T                   J 5                 Q 9 8 7 6 4 3 2 
J T 9 3 2           K 8 6 4             Q 7 5               A 

   3.
A T 5               K 8 6 4 2           Q J 7 3             9 
K 7                 -                   A 4 2               Q J T 9 8 6 5 3 
A K Q T 9 5         J 8 7 3             6 4 2               - 
9 5                 K J 4 3             Q 8 6               A T 7 2 

   4.
7 6                 A Q 5 4             K J T 9 8 3 2       - 
5 3                 6 4 2               7                   A K Q J T 9 8 
A J 5 4 3           T                   Q 7                 K 9 8 6 2 
K J T 8             A Q 9 5 4           7 3 2               6 

   5.
K J 9 8 7 5 4       -                   A Q 3               T 6 2 
8 4                 A J T 6 5 2         K Q 9 7 3           - 
K 3                 9 8 7 6 5 2         A Q                 J T 4 
K 6                 J                   A 3 2               Q T 9 8 7 5 4 

   6.
A K T 3             7 6 5 2             Q J 9 8             4 
5                   A Q 6               K 9 8 7 4 2         J T 3 
K J 9 8 6 5 3       7 4 2               A T                 Q 
K                   9 5 4               3                   A Q J T 8 7 6 2 

   7.
-                   5 4                 K J 2               A Q T 9 8 7 6 3 
Q 2                 J T 5 3             A K                 9 8 7 6 4 
K T 8 5 2           Q 9 7 6             A J 4 3             - 
K T 8 7 6 5         J 9 2               A Q 4 3             - 

   8.
A J 6 5             K Q 8 7             T 9 4 3 2           - 
9 7                 A K Q 5 3 2         J 8 6 4             T 
9 6 4               5                   A J 3               K Q T 8 7 2 
J T 5 3             9 6                 2                   A K Q 8 7 4 

[matmat]

BORING

[Gerben42]

Ah... Now you are hitting on the real advantage.
In my script I can regulate the amount of freakyness I want. These were made I think on a setting that 1 in 1000 hands is taken. I think this is enough for the general public.

[hotShot]

This type of of hands fall into 2 categories:

1) They are bid and played unilateral and are boring.

2) They really need an established partnership to bid or defend them.

[MorK]

you need an established partnership? I don't think so, you just should change the meaning of your opening bids: 2 Club strong? When did you need it in a goulash tournament? And, you need a similar "common sense", but what else? nothing goulash hands are always guessing; if you're good at guessing it's great, if not, it's bad; that's what you're doing