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You hold AQ2 AKQ974 8 743, red vs white at Imps, in 4th seat. The bidding goes :
(1♣) p (1♠) 2♥
(2♠) 3♥ (4♠) ?
2♠ showed 4-card support.
3♥ was competitive with 3+ hearts.
What do you do now?
Thank you for your time,
Michael
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Posted 2007-February-15, 18:38
This one I pass.
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Posted 2007-February-15, 18:39
As much as I hate it, pass is clear.
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Posted 2007-February-16, 01:38
Well, I don't pass. 5♥ it is.
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Posted 2007-February-16, 02:23
5♥
It's more an emotional than a rational thing, but I really like my hearts and I'd like them to become trumps.
ok, on a more serious note:
Partner can't bid 3♥ on a random 1345 4-count, can he? I'd like him to bring me the king of clubs, then I'm almost cold. If he really really doesn't bring me anything, then 4♠ looks good: they lose a heart and 2 spades, and pd can't give me my diamond ruff. (These are approximate calculations. my real reasons lie above)
It's more an emotional than a rational thing, but I really like my hearts and I'd like them to become trumps.
ok, on a more serious note:
Partner can't bid 3♥ on a random 1345 4-count, can he? I'd like him to bring me the king of clubs, then I'm almost cold. If he really really doesn't bring me anything, then 4♠ looks good: they lose a heart and 2 spades, and pd can't give me my diamond ruff. (These are approximate calculations. my real reasons lie above)
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2007-February-16, 08:42
"Partner can't bid 3♥ on a random 1345 4-count, can he?"
My partners can, and do
Peter
My partners can, and do
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Posted 2007-February-16, 08:55
I would expect and encourage partner's to compete based on lousy hands with a few ♥s. So I have to pass this one.
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Posted 2007-February-16, 09:16
brianshark, on Feb 16 2007, 09:55 AM, said:
I would expect and encourage partner's to compete based on lousy hands with a few ♥s. So I have to pass this one.
You're red, they're white. Competing with a few hearts and a lousy hand, in the long term, is a losing proposition, imo.
I would not encourage partners to do this.
Given that, partner must have reasonable values for the 3H raise. Since I was bidding 4H over 3H, its either X or 5H for me. Pass is not forcing, since partner doesnt know we were about to bid game.
In this poll, I choose X.
Could work out poorly though.
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
So many experts, not enough X cards.
So many experts, not enough X cards.
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Posted 2007-February-16, 09:27
5H seems about right. We don't need much to make it, and we may not beat them. If partner is loaded in diamonds I may regret this.
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Posted 2007-February-16, 11:38
bid_em_up, on Feb 16 2007, 10:16 AM, said:
brianshark, on Feb 16 2007, 09:55 AM, said:
I would expect and encourage partner's to compete based on lousy hands with a few ♥s. So I have to pass this one.
You're red, they're white. Competing with a few hearts and a lousy hand, in the long term, is a losing proposition, imo.
I would not encourage partners to do this.
Given that, partner must have reasonable values for the 3H raise. Since I was bidding 4H over 3H, its either X or 5H for me. Pass is not forcing, since partner doesnt know we were about to bid game.
In this poll, I choose X.
Could work out poorly though.
I agree with everything here, except the conclusion: I bid 5♥. There is a good chance that I will get a ♠ lead, and even when I don't, I can expect partner to have some working cards. If we credit partner for a modest but reasonable high card collection, then RHO was bidding on shape... and either we catch a stiff♠ in dummy or rho has what he thinks is a double-fit, so we will maybe catch short ♣s in dummy. And since LHO rates to hold the ♠K (he has the majority of the opps' high cards on this auction), I'm not at all optimistic of beating 4♠ when 5♥ fails. Heck this could be a double game swing deal.
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Posted 2007-February-16, 11:57
5♥
give pard 4 trumps and ♣Ax and this probably rolls
give pard 4 trumps and ♣Ax and this probably rolls
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Posted 2007-February-17, 04:00
This was the full hand :
5♥ makes exactly and 4♠ is down a lot.
But maybe more interesting than the result is East's bid of 4♠ as a preempt against the likely 4♥ coming on his left. What do you think about it?
Scoring: IMP
5♥ makes exactly and 4♠ is down a lot.
But maybe more interesting than the result is East's bid of 4♠ as a preempt against the likely 4♥ coming on his left. What do you think about it?
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