[kgr]

Scoring: MP

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RHO Passes.
What do you open? (You play 5-card M system, 3H is transfer to 3S or something strong, 2S is Muiderberg, 4D is 8 tricks in S, 4S is 7 tricks in S ..or pass)

[mike777]

4S, I know shocking but

[jtfanclub]

Normally, I'd say 1♠. But since you have a bid for an 8 trick swan, why not use it? I mean, if you don't bid 4♦ with this, you may as well use that bid for something else.

[kgr]

jtfanclub, on Feb 15 2007, 12:22 AM, said:

Normally, I'd say 1♠. But since you have a bid for an 8 trick swan, why not use it? I mean, if you don't bid 4♦ with this, you may as well use that bid for something else.

To clarify: 4D is namyats and only showing Spades

[pbleighton]

4S at any scoring and vulnerability.

BTW, this hand, while not strong, is clearly not weak. It has the playing strength of a 1 bid in almost any system. It is definitely too strong for a below-game preempt.

Peter

[Free]

NAMYATS

[hrothgar]

Easy 4♠

the suit isn't strong enough to consider NAMYATS

[BebopKid]

I would bid 1♠ to see how partner responds. Just about any bid by partner or opps would result in 4♠ by me.

All I know is pretty much SAYC at this point though.

[pbleighton]

"I would bid 1♠ to see how partner responds. Just about any bid by partner or opps would result in 4♠ by me.

All I know is pretty much SAYC at this point though."

1S isn't a bad bid. The reason many of us choose 4S is to make it difficult for the opps to find their very likely minor suit fit.

If we open 4S with this hand 100 times, we make them take the last guess most of them. And if partner has a nice hand, well...

Peter

[mike777]

In reply to Richard's post I am shocked, shocked he would bid 4s with this 7-4 hand.

[jtfanclub]

hrothgar, on Feb 14 2007, 06:01 PM, said:

the suit isn't strong enough to consider NAMYATS

I thought KQT9xxx was the minimum. What is the classic minimum suit strength for NAMYATS?

[inquiry]

1♠

[whereagles]

Obvious 4♠, followed by dbl if opps butt-in.

Oh, I'm playing namyats..? Well, then I open... 4♠

[P_Marlowe]

jtfanclub, on Feb 14 2007, 06:36 PM, said:

hrothgar, on Feb 14 2007, 06:01 PM, said:

the suit isn't strong enough to consider NAMYATS

I thought KQT9xxx was the minimum. What is the classic minimum suit strength for NAMYATS?

Do you have 8 tricks with spades as trumps?
You loose to tricks in the minor, 2 hearts (most likely 3)
and at least 1 spade, i.e. at best you have 7 1/2.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[the hog]

4S at any scoring at any vulnerability. Now where have I read that before?

[ArcLight]

Ben,
I appreciate the fact that you post so large so those of us who are legally blind can read your posts.

[inquiry]

Your Welcome

I tend to do so when I just give a single bid response.

[brianshark]

Close between 4♦ and 1♠. I'll decide later!

[pclayton]

4♠. Its a bit light for a NAMYATS call.

1♠ in a "social" game.

[zasanya]

jtfanclub, on Feb 14 2007, 06:36 PM, said:

hrothgar, on Feb 14 2007, 06:01 PM, said:

the suit isn't strong enough to consider NAMYATS

I thought KQT9xxx was the minimum. What is the classic minimum suit strength for NAMYATS?

The benefit of NAMYATS is to differentiate between a strong distributional hand, which may provide a slam opportunity with less opponent interference, and a preemptive bid which has no slam opportunity.

An artificial opening bid of 4C or 4D used to signify a good hand with 7+ card length in Hearts or Spades, respectively. Opener's hand should hold 8 or 8 1/2 playing tricks with good honors in the major suit, usually accompanied by an outside Ace or King. Conversely, an opening bid of 4H or 4S shows a weak preemptive hand not meeting that criteria.

Seems a 4♠ hand