[jim420]

You hold:

Scoring: IMP

P 1♣ P ?

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LHO deals, p opens 1♣ in front of u, what do u bid?

3NT? 4NT? 1♠? 5♣? or others?

EDIT: typo corrected

[hrothgar]

(Sorry about the initial reply. Mistook my Clubs for Diamonds)

I'd start with a forcing club raise. (Ideally, I'd like to be able to bid 2♣)

[jim420]

should be me who should say sorry, copied out from a lin file and typed in sequence, thus resulting in clubs changing into diamonds, now corrected.

[kenrexford]

The answer to this question depends upon the tools that you have available and the agreed limitations on those tools.

A forcing club raise might make sense, unless you play that a forcing club raise denies a four-card major, and only if you have a forcing club raise.

A 1♠ response makes sense if you have the tools to later agree clubs and force game.

All-in-all, tho, it seems that a slow approach makes sense on this hand.

[brianshark]

1♠.

[firmit]

Depending on what 1C means for me. If 1C is 2+, then 1S is textbook-correct. If partner shows 3-4 card support in spades, it would be hard for me to convince him of my clubs. If 1C is 3+, there are more trumph in clubs than in spades. I would bid a forcing club raise - in either case I think.

[mike777]

2D game forcing club raise, no problems, yet.(CrissCross)

[jillybean]

If we've agreed to play criss cross I've forgotten it - keep it simple 1♠

[P_Marlowe]

1S.

5C is only an option, if you
have ruled out 3NT and 6C.

3NT: hearts / diamonds are open,
4NT: you have no clue, if partner has
a min / max opener

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: Even if I had a forcing club raise
available, I would simply bid 1S.

[mike777]

jillybean2, on Feb 15 2007, 10:48 AM, said:

If we've agreed to play criss cross I've forgotten it - keep it simple 1♠

I just hope we can show a game force in clubs later, without any trouble, but I am worried after one spade.

If partner does not rebid 1nt now or we do not play game force checkback, hmm.

[Apollo81]

1♠. Will bid clubs later.

[inquiry]

If you play inverted minors, a 2♣ response is certainly possible. At the table I would start with 1♠.

[cinvent77]

This hand seems hard to bid if you don't play any conventions.

Suppose you play standard and start with 1♠ what would you rebid after 1♣ - 1♠ - 1NT? or after 1♣ - 1♠ - 2♣? Take a pessimist view and bid 3NT, bid 4NT and hope partner understands is quantitative rather than respond 5♦ with one ace?

I think I'll bid 3NT.

Clearly we need either Inverted minors or some Checkback Stayman. As an aside, do people respond 2♣ (forcing) with a 4-card major and game-forcing values? It's seems reasonable to me, but the books I've read all explicitly say no 4-card major is allowed.

[inquiry]

I would respond 2♣ when holding a four card major when I was going to make a very strong slam try (or force to slam if we are not off quick tricks). I said I would bid 1♠ with this hand because despite the good club fit, it is not enough to force to slam (I will be making a slam try on a lot of auctions).

I play xyz so I have no problem over a 2♣ or 1NT rebid (do you really think partner is going to rebid 2♣ on this hand?)

[cinvent77]

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do you really think partner is going to rebid 2♣ on this hand?

No, of course not. And now that I think of it (only a little tough ), if he does, I could bid 4♣ so not really a problem after all.

What after a 1NT rebid?

BTW xyz is a marvelously mysterious sounding name for a bridge convention ...

[inquiry]

cinvent77, on Feb 15 2007, 03:29 PM, said:

BTW xyz is a marvelously mysterious sounding name for a bridge convention ...

xyz stands for 1x-1y-1z-then both minors (2C and 2D) are "forcing". See for example, this article at the part starting both minors forcing.
What pro's play

[goobers]

I thought this convention was called 2-way NMF or 2-way checkback?

[mike777]

No, 2 way checkback is a bit different from XYZ, but they are close.

[inquiry]

goobers, on Feb 15 2007, 05:29 PM, said:

I thought this convention was called 2-way NMF or 2-way checkback?

I am not much for formal termnology, but these three agreements are essentially the same thing, but I believe there maybe some small differences...

2-way NMF, is 2 way new minor forcing, so I take this to mean both minors have been unbid (new minor). If one has been bid, then only the other is forcing.

2-way check back is essentially xyz, I think, but perhaps with a little difference. If memory serves me correctly, 2 way check back is after 1x-1y-1NT only.

xyz, is often played after any 1x-1y-1z auction, that can include pass or double (negative) by responder if opponents bid, for example, and 1z can be 1S or 1H.

So in xyz...
1C-(1H)-DBL-(Pass)
1S-(Ps)-2C/2D <<---- is still xyz... although FEW play this, some do.

Also, two way checkback as written up in bridgebase online 2/1 advance is a little different from xyz as describe by the various authorities... But again, for most part xyz is the almost identical to 2 way checkback.

[mike777]

No, 2 way checkback is more limited, only after nt rebid and 2clubs does not force 2d as many play in XYZ.